Looking to start cycle

[birdzilla]

Ok so Im trying to figure out a good cycle to do while trying to avoid the effects of PCT. I was thinking about running some HGH with Primo. I figured because Primo is androgenic there may be no need for PCT? I am not really sure of the doses yet and that is what i'm inquiring about here. Also was thinking about possibly running winny for the performance aspect of it. Still up in the air about the whole cycle. Trying to put on a few lbs, drop a little bf, and run faster. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Stats are:
6'5
217
approx 8% bf
23 y/o

[G4R]

Why anti-PCT?

[birdzilla]

The last cycle I ran had my Test levels super low after PCT. I didnt even wanna have sex, like almost completely no desire to even masterbate. For as good as I felt on the cycle, I felt equally as undetermined, lackadaisical, and just not on point like I usually am.

[big_ron]

^^ thats usually what happens, and will continue to happen to some extend if you want to keep cycling

[birdzilla]

i understand that and im not trying to say that Im not willing to go through it again but I was asking if running and androgenic rather than an anabolic with some HGH could have a different effect on the PCT.

[birdzilla]

I mean i was just looking for any advice on the cycle. I dont know if its been done before or even if its good to stack the two. Thats what I was really looking for, some research on Primo and HGH stack.

[G4R]

Well, I will be the first to admit I dont know a lot about HGH. You may want to check out the HGH section we have here for more detailed info on it.

As far as the Primo or winny goes, no, you do not need to use them. IMO you are still a little young. And, you say your BF% is 8, and you want to drop it some more? Getting too much lower is some serious business. You also said you want to put on some size muscle wise. All of this of course is leading me to inquire about your current diet. What are you eating? Is it tuned to fit your goals? If you believe it is, explain why.

Faster speed requires more training, not steroids. People will try and tell you about the old Olympic 'champ' Ben Johnson, and that he used winny to win the gold (that was taken away from him). Problem is, Ben Johnson was already an olympic ready runner, winny didnt put him there.

All in all, HGH or not, hold off. Lets check all other possibilities first.

[birdzilla]

I mean im not too strict about my diet. I can basically eat anything and not gain or lose too much. My weight fluctuates from 212 to 217 easily depending on my calorie intake. However, I do not count calories. i try to keep my diet balanced between protein, greens, fat, and carbs. if i were to estimate i probably take in about 2500 calories per day because i do eat frequent (4-5 times per day) and my 3 main meals are usually a bulky serving.

So you think i should not run primo because it will cut my bf too low? I heard primo is good for gaining strength nd low water retention thats why i was considering it.

[G4R]

I mean im not too strict about my diet. I can basically eat anything and not gain or lose too much. My weight fluctuates from 212 to 217 easily depending on my calorie intake. However, I do not count calories. i try to keep my diet balanced between protein, greens, fat, and carbs. if i were to estimate i probably take in about 2500 calories per day because i do eat frequent (4-5 times per day) and my 3 main meals are usually a bulky serving.

So you think i should not run primo because it will cut my bf too low? I heard primo is good for gaining strength nd low water retention thats why i was considering it.

No, that is not what I mean. Steroids will not drop your BF. You need diet, cardio and training to drop the BF. What I was saying is that if your BF is at 8% right now, dropping it much lower is some serious stuff. Your diet (while keeping it goal oriented) will need a lot of special attention, so you cant eat just anything.

I am saying dont use any steroids because of your age. Give yourself a few years of more natural work, and improved goal oriented diet and let your body finish developing.

Check out our diet section for some more help on getting your diet to fit your needs and goals. Just stay away from any compounds right now.

[birdzilla]

ok thanks a lot. I appreciate the advice.