my first cycle

[workingoutking12]

This is my first cycle and I'm trying to mass gain/bulk gain as much weight as I can until I begin cutting. I spoke to a friend of mine and he told me taking : Dbol, sustanon 250, and nolvadex and clomid. I'm wondering why it's necessary to take 2 estrogen blockers :s which sound stupid. Also how much Dbol should I take... First week I decided 20 mg, increase to 40 after my body is used to it, and sustanon I don't know. And I don't even know how I'm supposed to stack it when to take what! Please help me. I was told 10 mg in the morning since your body takes more in the morning, and split 5 mg for lunch, and night. After a week 10 mg, 10 mg, 10 mg with zma to make me pass out. How do I take the sustanon and when do I take the estrogen blocker. I'm on a 3500 calorie diet, very serious about my diet! I'll be moving from 4 to 6 workout days, with a great increase of weight. Please help, I'm a gear virgin lol. And I'm choosing to take creatine as pct. During my cycle I'll be taking a mass gainer to move my diet to 5000 calories with more food, and aminos, and protein, with a pre-workout drink(NOX or Jack3d) also zma to put me to sleep. Please help me! I don't want my body screwed up

[big_ron]

please tell me you havnt started any of this? my reason of saying is this is because you have no clue about any of this and shouldnt mess around with your body.

reading more it seems you have started taking the dbol...STOP NOW....
Please give me your stats?

you are not ready for a cycle and should spend ALOT more time on this forum learning before you consider it.

nolvadex and clomid are to be take AS PCT not creatine

[Dr Pepper]

Hmmmm ur taking creatine for PCT...? Something tells me you haven't done ANY research... Stop what your doing do alot of reading then come back and give us your stats... And will start from ther

[Big]

to advise accurately we need to know
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?

[workingoutking12]

23
5'9->father is 6'4 mother is 5'4 I'm finished growing
173.2
8%
And the reason I chose creatine is cuz io read that creatine is good for bulkers but I'm guessing that was a bs post? And no I havnt started yet I don't start thing until I'm 100% sure, plus I have the commitment for it I've been natural since I was in highschool a young grade 9 and continue on. I've hit my plateau which is why I'm deciding this

[workingoutking12]

Since when did age matter tho arnie and lots started their cycles at 16 and younger :| I'm well over that age, trust me I've thought about it before when I was 17 but I chose not due to moral issues, and a lot of health research so believe me I know the risks

[Big]

age matters here, and I'm 4 inches taller than each of my parents.
in any event we typically recommend long estered test only for a first cycle, with nolva and clomid for pct.

[workingoutking12]

age matters here, and I'm 4 inches taller than each of my parents.
in any event we typically recommend long estered test only for a first cycle, with nolva and clomid for pct.

Alright, and so I should start it? Does it sound like reasonable amounts? I'm giving myself 3 more weeks after this to think of getting it, since I'm almost finished my 12 week mass gaining cycle with no roids just pure natural and protein(opti gold standard, opti casein, opti zma, opti serius mass, and scivation xtend, NOX, with gnc multi vitamins) I also checked my blood pressure and heart and all and I was top notch great!

[Big]

what method was used in determining your bf%?

[G4R]

Alright, and so I should start it? Does it sound like reasonable amounts? I'm giving myself 3 more weeks after this to think of getting it, since I'm almost finished my 12 week mass gaining cycle with no roids just pure natural and protein(opti gold standard, opti casein, opti zma, opti serius mass, and scivation xtend, NOX, with gnc multi vitamins) I also checked my blood pressure and heart and all and I was top notch great!

I personally dont think so.

I dont believe you have maxed naturally. I would be willing to bet if you changed up your diet you could acheive much more than you realize.

[workingoutking12]

what method was used in determining your bf%?

Bf caliper

[workingoutking12]

I personally dont think so.

I dont believe you have maxed naturally. I would be willing to bet if you changed up your diet you could acheive much more than you realize.

Alright thank you I needed a second opinion I didn't want to listen to him because he started at 17 with 12% bf, at 150 lbs. It's working out for him tho that's why I was actually considering it

[Big]

you're a bit young in my opinion. in any event read this then post what questions remain

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146

[Noles12]

Im confused by why you think since you are 5'9 and your parents are 6'4 and 5'4, that that means your are done growing. My father is 6'3 and so am I. My brother is 6'4. My mother is 5'7. So i dont understand where you go the correlation at all

[workingoutking12]

Im confused by why you think since you are 5'9 and your parents are 6'4 and 5'4, that that means your are done growing. My father is 6'3 and so am I. My brother is 6'4. My mother is 5'7. So i dont understand where you go the correlation at all

B/c I havnt been growing I'm in my 20s men stop after what 19?

[workingoutking12]

you're a bit young in my opinion. in any event read this then post what questions remain

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146

Thank you I've made my decision, this really helped that's why I didn't wanna listen to him he didn't seem to know what he was saying, only had results to show

[marcus300]

Thank you I've made my decision, this really helped that's why I didn't wanna listen to him he didn't seem to know what he was saying, only had results to show

Hopefully you have made the right decision,best of luck