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    First step into roid world, guide me (First Cycle Critique)

    Age : 26
    Weight : 75 kg
    Height : 5'9"
    Bf : No idea (my abs are visible)
    Training for : roughly two years. Started with SS for six months, Went onto WS4SB for one year.
    Goal : PAcking up 10kg of more muscle.

    First Cycle.

    Here's my cycle. How does it look?

    Week 1 - 4 : 40 mg of Dbol Every Day.
    Week 1 - 12 : 250 mg of Test Enanthate twice a week Monday & Thursday = 500mg total Every Week
    Week 1 - 12 : Aromasin 12.5 mg ED, if needed (if Gyno Symptoms kick in)
    Week 5 - 14 : 250 ui of HCG twice a week monday and Thursday = 500 ui Total.

    PCT (After two weeks of last injecting Test E)
    Week 15 : 40 mg Nolva ED
    Week 16 - 17: 20 mg Nolva ED
    Week 18 : 40 mg Nolva ED



    DIET:
    Also i need help With formulating my diet? I plan on getting 4000 cals, but what should be percentage of each macros? I got confused by all this talk about low carb diet and 45/35/20 thing.

    EXERCISE:
    Help me here too with the splits or full body routines. I was thinking of going DoggCrapp Way.



    Here was the first template of the cycle i prepared, but then i stuck clomid off the list because of the concerns about it's ocular toxicity.

    Last edited by onlythebest; 07-12-2010 at 02:03 AM.

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    I applaud your thoroughness, though with a beginner cycle like that, HCG really won't be necessary. 75kg is only 165 lbs. How tall are you?

    As far as exercise, I really, really like DC's training style. I used to lift the "conventional" method for years, and I tried DC about 2 years ago. Loved it so much that I wouldn't lift any other way.

    As far as diet, check out the Harris-Benedict equation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris-Benedict_equation
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    What is your ht? cause at that weight it seems as if your diet really blows. Shitty diet equalks shitty gains and the likely hhod that you will lose most of them. Go to the diet section and get your diet in order and keep it natty for a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Monkey View Post
    I applaud your thoroughness, though with a beginner cycle like that, HCG really won't be necessary. 75kg is only 165 lbs. How tall are you?

    As far as exercise, I really, really like DC's training style. I used to lift the "conventional" method for years, and I tried DC about 2 years ago. Loved it so much that I wouldn't lift any other way.

    As far as diet, check out the Harris-Benedict equation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris-Benedict_equation
    Well yes you have to be thorough and know what you are getting yourself into. I'm the guy who will want to see a shark but either shark or me should be in diamond cage
    Well i read that HCG should always be done within cycle itself to kickstart normal test production. Is there no alternative like using it within week 13-14 rather than completely striking it off?
    I edited my first post, i'm 5'9". Two years ago i was 55 kg (121 lbs) and since then i clean bulked up to the point i'm at now. So changing diet has been the most important factor.
    I also think DC should be the way to go, but most importantly you'll have to follow dante's rules to the Tee, to see the effect. I'm gearing up for that. I know if this cycle goes like i've it planned, it'll just be perfect. Also, this is going to be the only cycle i'll be running on my body.

    Quote Originally Posted by cobra305 View Post
    What is your ht? cause at that weight it seems as if your diet really blows. Shitty diet equalks shitty gains and the likely hhod that you will lose most of them. Go to the diet section and get your diet in order and keep it natty for a bit.
    Well i'm 5'9". I don't really know if my diet blows at this point, because since last two years i really have finetuned my diet a lot. But i wanted to get more to-the-point when on cycle. I will ask Diet section, once i get information about Cycle and PCT.

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    I would do lower than 500mg Test for a first cycle, but maybe that's just me.
    I would also do 23g or even 25g needles (I find 22g scary and mostly I use 25g with no problems).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Monkey View Post
    I applaud your thoroughness, though with a beginner cycle like that, HCG really won't be necessary. 75kg is only 165 lbs. How tall are you?

    As far as exercise, I really, really like DC's training style. I used to lift the "conventional" method for years, and I tried DC about 2 years ago. Loved it so much that I wouldn't lift any other way.

    As far as diet, check out the Harris-Benedict equation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris-Benedict_equation
    What are you basing this off of?

    Testicular atrophy can occur at a much lower dose than that.

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    ^^ agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLom View Post
    I would do lower than 500mg Test for a first cycle, but maybe that's just me.
    I would also do 23g or even 25g needles (I find 22g scary and mostly I use 25g with no problems).
    Well i guess 500 mg will be optimum to get some gains. Since in Test E ... dose injected is directly proportional to muscular gains, i think 500 mg will be ok to get significant gains.
    I don't have needle phobia of any sorts, and these needles are available free to me. But i will try 23g ones to see if i am more comfortable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noles12 View Post
    What are you basing this off of?

    Testicular atrophy can occur at a much lower dose than that.
    Well that's why i am reluctant to strike off HCG completely from the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest View Post
    Well i guess 500 mg will be optimum to get some gains. Since in Test E ... dose injected is directly proportional to muscular gains, i think 500 mg will be ok to get significant gains.
    I don't have needle phobia of any sorts, and these needles are available free to me. But i will try 23g ones to see if i am more comfortable.



    Well that's why i am reluctant to strike off HCG completely from the list.
    IMO you can run it without it but to say that there would be no reason for it is wrong. It is used due to the testicular atrophy which can occur at lower doses than this because you are shutting down your bodies natural test production therefore your testes will not be needed by the body and they shrink. I have run cycles without it and experienced atrophy. But i still recovered fine after my PCT.

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    ^^That's good info. So how about if i pin HCG doses in my last two weeks of Test E Injections (week 11- 12). And then go on about my PCT?
    Any other glaring mistakes with my cycle?

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    Yea the only problem i see is that you dont appear to be ready for AAS at your size. Im sure with diet and training you could easily get to 185 pounds before you should consider cycling

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    THanks Guys. I won't go on cycle till i reach around 180 lbs. I will be doing DC, hope it helps me get big.
    I guess the first template would be correct one, whenever i decide to go on cycle, since noone suggested any change.

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