occular toxicity? (freaked out about my eyes)

[sixey]

okay guys first off, i am not doing a cycle immediately, im 21 in a few weeks but ya'll have convinced me to wait until at least 23-25...but im using the wait time to make sure EVERYTHING is %110 for when i do go through with it. so theres no point in the usualy "copy-paste" of the "your too young, heres how the endocrine system works" etc haha.

one of the only and most important concerns i have left is regarding the "occular toxicity" of some of the common drugs, specifically nolvadex and clomid. i have a pre-existing eye condition that required surgery, while it is corrected and vision is stable, i dont want to risk anything when it comes to my eyes

i have been searching and reading, clomid seems to be more popular for causing eye issues but people have reported them from nolva as well. im sure alot of this is dose dependent and also each person is different as far as sides, but all the same...

i have been looking into Torem as a possible substitue, torem plus a moderate dose of nolva has been reported to work excellent. but there have also been posts saying that Torem also has occular toxicity as well???


basically i want to figure out which drugs would carry the absolute LEAST risk for possible negative side effects on my eyes

[n00bs]

Anything is possible.. Alot of things are achievable naturally i believe only few reach there genetic potentoal before they cycle, out of laziness greed just wanti g to do it ect.. Another 4 years your goals
May have changed. No drugs available... Enjoy being 21 and look into things in the future.. Work hard now and enjoy.

[sixey]

Anything is possible.. Alot of things are achievable naturally i believe only few reach there genetic potentoal before they cycle, out of laziness greed just wanti g to do it ect.. Another 4 years your goals
May have changed. No drugs available... Enjoy being 21 and look into things in the future.. Work hard now and enjoy.

*sigh*
knew there would be at least one of these.

i swear half the posts in here are scolding people to not cycle...i would rather learn as much as i can and prepare as much as i can NOW (couple years in advance), what happens if this site and others get shut down? who do i ask then, the juicehead flexing in the mirror at the gym?

everyone on here preaches to be prepared as best you can right?

[louiscypher]

Lol bro.... You knew it was coming. I've done nolva and clomid and had some weird vision issues, mine kinda jumps some times its weird. It didn't make my vision worse or anything. I have tried researching the causes but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of info on it. It was a half assed attempt tho lol.

[n00bs]

4 years of preperation? Lol

Like i saod there are always new drugs out.. There are some in research at the moment.

[sean_holland]

He's not scolding you. He's just saying to live for right now. If your not planning a cycle for years in the future who knows that 'your' situation, the 'gear' situation or the 'PCT' situation will be.

As of right now, all 3 carry some degree of risk. You answered your own question. Its up to you ultimately to decide if the risk is a viable one to your situation. The are no magical, no side effects, solutions.

If your just going to train natural, then keep doing that. Enjoy the training and when you become 23-25 maybe gear won't even be something you consider.

He was not scolding you, he's just giving his opinion on your situation...which he is clearly a third party to with information limited to what you posted....don't take things too personally. Were all here trying to learn, help and grow.

[sixey]

4 years of preperation? Lol

Like i saod there are always new drugs out.. There are some in research at the moment.

He's not scolding you. He's just saying to live for right now. If your not planning a cycle for years in the future who knows that 'your' situation, the 'gear' situation or the 'PCT' situation will be.

As of right now, all 3 carry some degree of risk. You answered your own question. Its up to you ultimately to decide if the risk is a viable one to your situation. The are no magical, no side effects, solutions.

If your just going to train natural, then keep doing that. Enjoy the training and when you become 23-25 maybe gear won't even be something you consider.

He was not scolding you, he's just giving his opinion on your situation...which he is clearly a third party to with information limited to what you posted....don't take things too personally. Were all here trying to learn, help and grow.

apologies...its a low carb day so im a bit moody haha.

and i guess your right about new drugs being out in a few years, hopefully there will be something better by then!

[BJJ]

You received the right advices, just follow them.

[louiscypher]

http://www.google.com/m/url?ei=QOY5T...w_4nmbGcAOewQA

Check this out, it would seem Nolva and Clomid are fairly nasty drugs....

[sixey]

http://www.google.com/m/url?ei=QOY5T...w_4nmbGcAOewQA

Check this out, it would seem Nolva and Clomid are fairly nasty drugs....

yeah i know brah ...in the event that there isnt a suitable new SERM when cycle time rolls around, going to go with low-moderate dose nolva and torem. will be using HCG during cycle to hopefully have to use less during PCT/recovery to bring everything back