Does anyone know what they're talking about??

[6foot6_DE]

I am taking a cylce for my first time and had my first spike yesterday. I have heard horror stories from friends in the gym, people on these blogs, and supposedly experts throughout the net.
I want to know a SIMPLIFIED answer to wether or not one should be running HCG during your cycle. Also, I want to know what kind of PCT should be ran after a 12 week cycle of test e and deca .
I plan on doing 300mg of test and 250mg ever 4 days for 10 weeks then just test for 3 more weeks. Input??
I am an athlete and am not trying to be the next roided out bodybuilder...
My connect on the juice told me to not worry about PCT or anything until the last shot and then run 2 weeks of HCG 500iu's every 5 days for two weeks then start Nolv and Clomid for 4 weeks.
Every single person that comments on this has something different to say... Dont run HCG too much or it will desensatize... don't take Nolva after a deca cycle... dont worry about clomid, but only nolva and Arim... you gotta have something during the cycle or you'll get bit ch tits... etc etc etc etc... this is confusing and very irritating. Can someone with some SIGNIFICANT experience please simplify this cluster F for me??

Oh and one more thing.. I hit my quad yesterday with 300 of Test E and 250 of Deca mixed...and today my quad is sore and feels like it got hit with a bat. painful to walk when the muscle contracts... any advice on this?

31 ... 6 foot 6" tall.. 285 lbs.. dont know my bf%... athlete.. pro football player but not NFL... have trained seriously and consistently for over 10 years...

[dec11]

500ius hcg e5d during cycle, have nolva/adex on hand for gyno, i personally use 20mgs nolva eod until symptoms subside, this personally worked for me.

pct 2wks after last shot

nolva 20/20/20/20/20
clomid 50/50/50/50/50

[magic32]

I am taking a cylce for my first time and had my first spike yesterday.

For the very reasons you cited, it's best to always assume this answer is "NO", and to do the independent research rather than query a forum for consenus, e.g. what you're doing now.

That said, HCG should only be used for very specific reasons, not just because someone recommends it as a cycle (or post-cycle) additive. Here's a good place begin some autonomous research on these reasons:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199847

And "yes" post injection, site-specific pain is normal depending on what the brand & gear (or mix) injected, how much was shot, how close the shot was to surrounding nerves, individual sensitivities, etc. Just be sure to use sanitary injection protocol, and keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't abcess.

Best to you.

[Mar-Vell]

You shouldnt start a cycle with all that doubts man, thats an irresponsability

[Bossman]

For the very reasons you cited, it's best to always assume this answer is "NO", and to do the independent research rather than query a forum for consenus, e.g. what you're doing now.

Magic put this very well. You should research for yourself what you're injecting into your body. I did, and that's what's most often recommended on this site. There is a wealth of information not only in the forum but the website as well. No one will spoon feed you here. You do the research, post a hypothetical cycle and the experienced will critique it for you.

Usually the research comes before the cycle....

[6foot6_DE]

I appreciate the patronizing comments, but I have done a ton of research and spoke to many people... the reasoning behind my post is to find out what experienced individuals have to say... and hopefully to provide some insight as to the route that sould be taken. Maybe I should reitterate my initial question since its being grossly misconstrued for a lack of "research".... My research is whats brought me to the questions and the confusion. Throughout my research I've heard conflicting information from different sources, hence the post. No one is looking to be spoon fed.



Dec 11... thanks for the post... it helped give me an idea of how I should proceed. Would like to see a little more feeback resembling your post.

[marcus300]

IMHO you should only run HCG if you start suffering from atrophy, then i would implement 250ius 3 x weekly.

You shouldn't be running deca on your first cycle, it should be test only.

If your running test e only you should start your pct 14 days after your last injection,

Use a standard nolva/clomid for a test only cycle.

[6foot6_DE]

Good advice Marcus... I think I will go with that and leave the Deca alone for this round and revisit the deca option next year. Thanks again, I will implement this in my regimen.