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    Which test to use

    I have used cypionate in the past. I wanted to try propionate and was wondering if propionate is any more harsh on hair loss than cypionate? I understand that propionate does not make you retain water. I do not like to use large doses of test. Was going to try 3 shots per week at 50mgs per shot. I was told test suspension is better. From what I have read it seems like suspension is more harsh on hair loss than both and can cause gyno. I do have arimidex , but I am sensitive to gyno so i do not want to have to do arimidex daily due to the cost. Am I correct on my information? I do use propecia, but it only does so much counteracting of the test. Hope my question is not confusing. Any advice would be appreciated.

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    Test is Test. Just different esters.
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    Pct?
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    any other information that will make it easiers to help as well.

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    Test

    AGE 55
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    TRAINING MOST OF MY LIFE.
    Martial arts - weight training.
    bodyfat 8% roughly.
    Not a competitive bodybuilder but Professional Trainer.
    Used larger doses of test and after awhile it does not seem to make much difference. Been off for about 2 and 1/2 months, using 25mgs anavar and 3iu hgh daily since being off test. Lean right now and like it.
    Post cycle therapy is: use 1000 units for 10 days hcg 1 week after cycle, along with clom for 15 days.

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    so you are always taking var? also imo hcg during cycle,clomid/nolva post

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    Prop causes some water retention. If your gyno prone and cant afford adex then you shouldnt be taking test.

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    Personally, I've always loved Test Propionate (I've run T. Prop. for every cycle I'd done, save for my very first cycle). Blood levels are more stable, and I feel that sides are less (from more stable blood levels). I also liked the ED injections. When it was once-a-week injections, I'd dread each time I'd have to inject. When I did ED injections, I got over my aversion to needles real quick, because I knew I had to keep my blood levels stable...plus it felt more like I was "cycling", since injecting was a daily routine. That's more of a personal reason, though...

    The real reason, IMO, that shorter esters are better is that you're getting more "juice" per ml. Esters have a certain "mass", and occupy more space in the oil, which leaves less room for the actual hormone. For example, I can't remember the exact amount, but Sustanon , with it's cocktail of esters, is something like 65-67% testosterone , whereas something like Enanthate is 72% testosterone, and I believe Propionate is somewhere in the high 70% / low 80% in terms of testosterone concentration (it's been years since I've looked that stuff up, but you get the idea).
    Last edited by Blue Monkey; 07-12-2010 at 06:42 PM.

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    I would definitely avoid suspension, to keep the most stable levels it should be shot multiple times a day, every day. the only call I see for suspension is in athletes that are subject to testing.

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    Not always on var. 3 months on and 4 months off. Always do pct after cycle. Sounds like propionate is worth trying. Will stay away from suspension. Usually only need to take arimadex 2 times per week on 200 mgs of cypionate per week. If I start adding eq or deca I have to use more. Need it daily then. Thanks a lot for everyones help.

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