First Cycle Ever...(Need expierenced Feedback)

[C-Low]

i am stacking Test enathate with tren acetate at a dose of MONDAY: 200mg of test and 200 mg of tren, WEDNESDAY: 200 of Tren only and FRIDAY: 200 mg Test and 200 mg Tren, giviing a total of 400mg/week of Test and 600mg/week of Tren. This is my first cycle and am about 3 1/2 weeks into it, plus i am incorporating a anti-estrogen (only temporary) due to nipples were starting to get sore and wanted to catch that early!!! I also drink 3 protein shakes a day. I work out about a 1 hour a day for 5 days a week with 25 minutes of steep incline cardio each workout, when would i start REALLY noticing some good cuts and gains? Also is this a good combo? Any feedback is appreciated from someone expierenced of course.

[Matt]

What are your stats..

Age
Height
Weight
Bf%
Years training
Planned pct?????

[C-Low]

thanx for the quick response:

Age: 34
Height: 6ft 1 inch
Weight: 200 lbs
BF: unknown
Years working out: steady 5 years
PCT: have someone to coach me though that when time comes

[G4R]

thanx for the quick response:

Age: 34
Height: 6ft 1 inch
Weight: 200 lbs
BF: unknown
Years working out: steady 5 years
PCT: have someone to coach me though that when time comes

Coach you through it? Is it the same person that recommended you run tren on your first cycle? Do you have all your PCT compounds in your possession already?

[C-Low]

no, i dont plan on stopping for another 60 to 90 days.

[Matt]

In my opinion you should stop what your doing now, run a full pct and never touch aas until you have educated yourself with the correct protocols...

[Big]

while we appreciate your willingness to help, please refrain from giving steroid advice when you've never even ran a cycle. we advise from personal experience, and we do it very well.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=437704

[C-Low]

PCT: Nolva,Clomid + Hcg..

[Big]

I would use the hcg on cycle, not during pct

[G4R]

i am stacking Test enathate with tren acetate at a dose of MONDAY: 200mg of test and 200 mg of tren, WEDNESDAY: 200 of Tren only and FRIDAY: 200 mg Test and 200 mg Tren, giviing a total of 400mg/week of Test and 600mg/week of Tren. This is my first cycle and am about 3 1/2 weeks into it, plus i am incorporating a anti-estrogen (only temporary) due to nipples were starting to get sore and wanted to catch that early!!! I also drink 3 protein shakes a day. I work out about a 1 hour a day for 5 days a week with 25 minutes of steep incline cardio each workout, when would i start REALLY noticing some good cuts and gains? Also is this a good combo? Any feedback is appreciated from someone expierenced of course.

You are 3 1/2 weeks into it, and you are just now asking if it is a good stack? Yikes....

[manwitplans]

Terrible for first cycle.
Shame that people don't educate themselves, it's not that hard either.. Rather easy to find some good info on all the things you want to know.

[Big]

approximately what is your bf%? could you post a pic?
you should NEVER use tren on a first cycle. how do you know if the gyno is being cause by estrogen or progesterone?

[C-Low]

ok..so what is the issue w/ running tren w/my first cycle? i am here trying to obtain some knowledge, not be questioned like some F'N kid. As for PCT: i have very quick access to whatever i may need, no worries not having what i may need at the end of a cycle or cycles.

[C-Low]

i am approx: 12.5% BF.

[C-Low]

Funny you ask that....my wife is a doctor.

[manwitplans]

ok..so what is the issue w/ running tren w/my first cycle? i am here trying to obtain some knowledge, not be questioned like some F'N kid. As for PCT: i have very quick access to whatever i may need, no worries not having what i may need at the end of a cycle or cycles.

As said above, how do you know which compound you get the side-effects from? How do you know how you react to testo, and tren? Nor-19's and prolactin?..

And what if you experience gyno symptoms? You got an AI you said.. Well that's maybe not enough if it's prolactin.

Try to educate, before you medicate.

[Big]

ok..so what is the issue w/ running tren w/my first cycle? i am here trying to obtain some knowledge, not be questioned like some F'N kid. As for PCT: i have very quick access to whatever i may need, no worries not having what i may need at the end of a cycle or cycles.

check your attitude.
answer the gyno question in my post above yours

[Big]

Funny you ask that....my wife is a doctor.

excellent, get the rest of your advice from her.
I'm out.

[C-Low]

thats incorrect...i have done much asking even before i started..just like to get lots of oppinions.

[G4R]

ok..so what is the issue w/ running tren w/my first cycle? i am here trying to obtain some knowledge, not be questioned like some F'N kid. As for PCT: i have very quick access to whatever i may need, no worries not having what i may need at the end of a cycle or cycles.

The fact that you just started taking compounds that you know nothing about from a personal standpoint is just flat out ignorant. We question these things because we know how harsh these compounds can be.

As for PCT, I dont know what quick access is for you, but I have seen many people tell me that they can get their PCT whenever they need it, only to have something come up, and then they are stuck with nothing. Never take a situation like that for granted. You need to be safe.

[manwitplans]

I feel sorry for you, beeing so stubborn, is going to get you nowhere in life.
I'd change that, this second.

And leave your ego at the door when you haven't done any research.

[C-Low]

i appreciate your honesty. Ok, so its a little too late now..as i am over 3 weeks into what i am currently doing. my symptoms have ceased though as i caught it early, i think it was from the test causing my nipples to become a little tender...but now its gone. So help me continue in the right way please! I may have jumped the gun..yes! just guide me in the right direction please for what i am currently doing as far as stacking test and tren. thanx much! sorry for the attitude...

[C-Low]

Help me....now that you know what i am doing...please tell me what I will def. need a supply of and what i should get "just in case"....thanx....i am really enjoying my cycle and have had not one side effect accept the nipple thing but like i said that has now ceased since taking....really...just guide me please.

[Nooomoto]

i am here trying to obtain some knowledge, not be questioned like some F'N kid.

If you don't want to be treated like a kid, don't act like one. Most adults do extensive research before embarking on this sort of journey. We don't just run around picking up whatever compound we heard about at the gym and inject ourselves with it.

IE: You should have been obtaining knowledge prior to beginning a cycle, not during the cycle.

Tren for a first cycle? Brilliant idea.

[manwitplans]

Since you are already in motion.
You maybe need: Arimidex, aromasin or letro (AI's for estrogen side-effects)
You maybe need: Prami or caber for prolactin sideeffects.

You definatelly need a PCT.
I'd go with:

4 weeks of: 20mg nolvadex
4 weeks of: 50mg clomid.

Thats after you cycle is ended.
PCT would start 2 weeks after last pin of testo.

[Big]

G4R will be back soon and will likely help you, he is as bright as I am but has a bigger heart.

[G4R]

G4R will be back soon and will likely help you, he is as bright as I am but has a bigger heart.

Lol, I dont know 5% of what you know, but I will accept the compliment anyways.

[C-Low]

Thanx bro...i am really not a ass!! Trust me!! I am just over my head like usually with everything i do in life...(all or nothing) and just need some good guidance...i was told ya'll had the best advice...

[C-Low]

Since you are already in motion.
You maybe need: Arimidex, aromasin or letro (AI's for estrogen side-effects)
You maybe need: Prami or caber for prolactin sideeffects.

You definatelly need a PCT.
I'd go with:

4 weeks of: 20mg nolvadex
4 weeks of: 50mg clomid.

Thats after you cycle is ended.
PCT would start 2 weeks after last pin of testo.

ok..i see. you say Arimidex, aromasin or letro (i just need one of these 3 right?)

Then for a PCT: 4 wks of nolvadex and 4 wks of clomid right?

now as far as the AI's i have just take some and my side affects are now gone, so common sense would say not to continue taking this unless the sides come back right? I was told taking AI's can actually take away from your gains..is this correct? thanx!

[G4R]

Thanx bro...i am really not a ass!! Trust me!! I am just over my head like usually with everything i do in life...(all or nothing) and just need some good guidance...i was told ya'll had the best advice...

If you are going to continue the cycle, drop the Tren right now. I know you said you have not had any major sides, but dont risk it any further.

I may have missed it in another post, but how long were you planning on running the Test?

PCT should look like this:
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

It needs to start 2 weeks (14 days) after your last Test injection. Dont wait any further, if you are able to get PCT anytime, do it now. At least have it in your possession.

[C-Low]

If you are going to continue the cycle, drop the Tren right now. I know you said you have not had any major sides, but dont risk it any further.

I may have missed it in another post, but how long were you planning on running the Test?

PCT should look like this:
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

It needs to start 2 weeks (14 days) after your last Test injection. Dont wait any further, if you are able to get PCT anytime, do it now. At least have it in your possession.

ok...what am i risking though? i am asking because it seems to be a big deal to add tren in a 1st cycle? whats the difference if i do it now or incorporate it in a future cycle?

I am planning on running test for another 8 weeks with 3 1/2 already into it.

[G4R]

ok..i see. you say Arimidex, aromasin or letro (i just need one of these 3 right?)

Then for a PCT: 4 wks of nolvadex and 4 wks of clomid right?

now as far as the AI's i have just take some and my side affects are now gone, so common sense would say not to continue taking this unless the sides come back right? I was told taking AI's can actually take away from your gains..is this correct? thanx!

If you are prone to gyno (which may be the case), you may want to stay on the safe side by running adex during cycle at .25mg/EOD.

It is true that they can hinder gains, but it depends on the dosage too. They are fighting back estrogen, but you need estrogen for muscle growth. If you run adex during cycle, I dont recommend you run letro afterwards, this can cause an extreme drop in estrogen, and that isnt good either.

[G4R]

ok...what am i risking though? i am asking because it seems to be a big deal to add tren in a 1st cycle? whats the difference if i do it now or incorporate it in a future cycle?

I am planning on running test for another 8 weeks with 3 1/2 already into it.

Because of the mass amount of possible sides that can come with Tren use. You need to find out how your body is going to react to the 'lighter' compounds, that way you can monitor what you can tolerate, and what will cause you problems. That is why we recommend a test only first cycle. Second cycle, test + ______ , and so on. Now, not everyone needs a ton of compounds for great results, but, you wont know if you dont play it safe, and do things the right way.

Ok, so you will be running 400mg/week for a total of 12 weeks? If so, that is fine, just drop the tren for now. I dont know how long you were planning on running it, but as long as you drop it now, it doesnt matter at this point.

[C-Low]

If you are prone to gyno (which may be the case), you may want to stay on the safe side by running adex during cycle at .25mg/EOD.

It is true that they can hinder gains, but it depends on the dosage too. They are fighting back estrogen, but you need estrogen for muscle growth. If you run adex during cycle, I dont recommend you run letro afterwards, this can cause an extreme drop in estrogen, and that isnt good either.

I want to be on the safe side here on out..so what does "EOD" mean? is it "end of day"? Will adex effect my gains or is this just like a insurance plan against gyno?

[C-Low]

Because of the mass amount of possible sides that can come with Tren use. You need to find out how your body is going to react to the 'lighter' compounds, that way you can monitor what you can tolerate, and what will cause you problems. That is why we recommend a test only first cycle. Second cycle, test + ______ , and so on. Now, not everyone needs a ton of compounds for great results, but, you wont know if you dont play it safe, and do things the right way.

Ok, so you will be running 400mg/week for a total of 12 weeks? If so, that is fine, just drop the tren for now. I dont know how long you were planning on running it, but as long as you drop it now, it doesnt matter at this point.

thank you....all is well noted and advice is taken. i can say i have noticed some very real aggression..which is out of my element or character.

[G4R]

I want to be on the safe side here on out..so what does "EOD" mean? is it "end of day"? Will adex effect my gains or is this just like a insurance plan against gyno?

EOD = Every Other Day

There is a possiblity of adex affecting gains, but at the dosage I recommended, you should be fine. But, I would rather have a slight affect in gains then having to deal with gyno.

[C-Low]

EOD = Every Other Day

There is a possiblity of adex affecting gains, but at the dosage I recommended, you should be fine. But, I would rather have a slight affect in gains then having to deal with gyno.

when you say "adex" you mean arimidex right?

[G4R]

when you say "adex" you mean arimidex right?

Correct

[C-Low]

Correct

i really want to thank you so much! i apologize if i came off rude....i am going to take your advice and gather everything i need this week. gotta go over my sons homework now..TTYL...

[G4R]

Good luck and BE CAREFUL