PCT supposed to feel this good?

[JBarron]

It's been about a week and a half since my last prop injection, and I feel like a million bucks.

Since the end of my cycle, strength has remained, and actually gone up a bit, weight has remained, I actually am up a pound from last week. I thought pCT was going to suck, but it almost feels like I never ended my cycle.

Before anyone says gear was bunk, it wasn't, I assure you, I gained about 12lbs dropped bf from 10 to 8% all while on cycle.

I've kept diet, and training intensity exactly the same and I feel great, no weight loss, no decrease in strength.

pct is Nolva 40mgs, Clomid 100mgs for two weeks.

then dropping the Clomid and running Nolva 20mgs for 2 or 3 more weeks.

I started using Neovar (creatine) and IGF-2 (otc test booster and gh support) a week before I started pct.

Last, I've been using Sustain-Alpha lotion, applying 5 pumps for 5 days on 2 days off. Believe it or not, it got my fellas back fairly quick, they were only slightly atrophied.

Anyone else have great success with pct's?

btw ran prop 150mg/ml EOD for 12 weeks.

[AlphaGenetics]

Your still in the early stages. Give it another week or two.

[G4R]

pct is Nolva 40mgs, Clomid 100mgs for two weeks.

then dropping the Clomid and running Nolva 20mgs for 2 or 3 more weeks.

Why are you dropping the clomid after two weeks?

[JBarron]

Why are you dropping the clomid after two weeks?

Well you know you can read just about anything on the internet. People saying this, people saying that.

I've read so many articles saying that they are good together, that they aren't good together and Nolva alone is enough because it's stronger. TBH I don't know which article is right and which one is wrong.

The only thing I do know is that I've never ran a pct before, so I don't know what will work for me and won't work for me.

Some people pct with just clomid, some pct with just nolva, some people can't pct with clomid, some people can't pct with nolva. It seems to be based somewhat individually, and you have to find what works for you.

Therefore, I thought I'd try it with Nolva and CLomid together since I have them both, then drop the CLomid and run the Nolva alone (since i've read so many places it's stronger and enough for pct on it's own.)

I know you may disagree, but from the mixed reviews and info I've received from a plethora of sites, I thought I'd try this for my first pct. If things go bad then I will switch it up and do something different next time, if things go good then I'll stick to this.

I've come to realize that this steroid business is a risky one, and it requires alot of trial and error.

btw, on my pct calender I have me running clomid and nolva together for 18 days, so a bit over two weeks.

[G4R]

I've come to realize that this steroid business is a risky one, and it requires alot of trial and error.

This is true, and fortunatly, we have had many trials and errors done for us, and it has left us with this standard PCT:

Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

[JBarron]

This is true, and fortunatly, we have had many trials and errors done for us, and it has left us with this standard PCT:

Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Ok, well I will take this into consideration thanks.

[JBarron]

However, is the so called depression, and impending doom, and loss of libido, all the other negs about pct, is that stuff a certainty?

I mean is it possible for one to feel fine coming off a cycle, with a mild pct regimen, regain natural test production and avoid the depression and all that?

Not saying that this is my case, like mentioned above, I'm only short way into my pct, we will have to see how things go on down the road.

But surely there have been cases where pct wasn't as tragic as it's made out to be.

[G4R]

However, is the so called depression, and impending doom, and loss of libido, all the other negs about pct, is that stuff a certainty?
I mean is it possible for one to feel fine coming off a cycle, with a mild pct regimen, regain natural test production and avoid the depression and all that?

Not saying that this is my case, like mentioned above, I'm only short way into my pct, we will have to see how things go on down the road.

But surely there have been cases where pct wasn't as tragic as it's made out to be.

I have never suffered from those sides, certainly not 'impending doom'.

[Exilus]

I felt alright during my pct. I lost my erections for about 3 days after first week, then i was like "ah god problems coming" but then everything went back on track and i was alright to the end.

[n00bs]

I have never suffered from those sides, certainly not 'impending doom'.

I pressume people who suffer such things are more prone to "mental illness" i.e neurotransmitter receptor sensetivity and the likes... So there body reacts to a big change in serum androgens.

Everybody is different and unique though...

[Fetch]

My last cycle was like that, the PCT went well, I felt great the whole time, and actually increased in strength. I think by the end of it I had lost a couple of pounds of water, but still was gaining strength and such. Good feeling.

[JBarron]

great to hear your answers, thanks guys.

[chrisx]

JBarron keep us updated I will definately be following your progress!

[ghettoboyd]

i just finnished a 12 week prop cycle 100mg eod and so far feel amazingly well....after my last cycle of test e i didnt even want to do anything and it took me like 3 weeks to feel right, so maybee it has somthing to do with prop....by the way i am in 2nd week of nolva/clomid pct....i hope this continues cus im feeling great in the gym...

[JBarron]

JBarron keep us updated I will definately be following your progress!

Will do

i just finnished a 12 week prop cycle 100mg eod and so far feel amazingly well....after my last cycle of test e i didnt even want to do anything and it took me like 3 weeks to feel right, so maybee it has somthing to do with prop....by the way i am in 2nd week of nolva/clomid pct....i hope this continues cus im feeling great in the gym...

Interesting, could be a possibility it does have something to do with the short ester. Glad to hear that mate.

[JuliusPleaser]

2 weeks since my last prop shot

aromasin 25mg ed
clomid
nolva
clen... i look better than when i was on LOL...and feel great

[JBarron]

2 weeks since my last prop shot

aromasin 25mg ed
clomid
nolva
clen... i look better than when i was on LOL...and feel great

Great to hear bro!

[newb23]

I am curious about this sustain alpha product you used, could this be a good replacement of hcg if one can't find hcg, does this stuff work well for testicular atrophy?

[darkcrayz]

I pressume people who suffer such things are more prone to "mental illness" i.e neurotransmitter receptor sensetivity and the likes... So there body reacts to a big change in serum androgens.

Everybody is different and unique though...

depression runs in my famiily. when i come off cycle my depression/anxiety flares up pretty bad. i know that going in and make sure i dont forget to take my meds.

[Noles12]

Some feel like sh!t on PCT and some feel no different. There is no set feeling.

I personally notice the decreased libido and increase in acne after the first week. But that doesnt mean you will have those sides at all.

Clomid also makes me feel more emotional like a little girl at times but once again not everyone feels this way while using it

[JBarron]

I am curious about this sustain alpha product you used, could this be a good replacement of hcg if one can't find hcg, does this stuff work well for testicular atrophy?

Well, I read alot of good reviews on it before I purchased it. Alot of guys said it worked wonders for pct, so i was like shoot, it'd be alot easier then messing around with HCG, so far it's doing the trick.

Still feel great, however, I weighed in a few lbs lighter today, could be water weight, could be from an early workout and I wasn't carrying as much food around with me (the only scale I use is at the gym, so I weigh in before workouts.)

I'm guessing water weight though, I'm actually looking a bit more vascular all around. Still feel like a million bucks though :-) Could be the weather lol

[ghettoboyd]

Some feel like sh!t on PCT and some feel no different. There is no set feeling.

I personally notice the decreased libido and increase in acne after the first week. But that doesnt mean you will have those sides at all.

Clomid also makes me feel more emotional like a little girl at times but once again not everyone feels this way while using it

thats funny cus thats how i felt toward the end of my cycle due to elevated estrogen levels....i was a real bitch sometimes...clomid not so much maybee a little....

[oscarjones]

I also suffer from depression/mania a little bit. My PCT after Test Prop was shitty. The first week wasn't too bad, on Nolva/Clomid. Second week I didn't lift at all. I bounced back 3rd and 4th week but everything was less extreme on PCT. Gains, strength, libido, well-being, etc.

I say it's different for everyone, purely chemistry.

[JBarron]

I say it's different for everyone, purely chemistry.

Agreeeed,

[JBarron]

Bumpin this for updates, today was the first day I felt lack of motivation to go to the gym.

It was leg day, and it was storming out really bad, and I have to ride my bike to the gym, so I was a bit demotivated lol. I ended up going, all my lifts were still strong, switched up my routine a bit and did deadlifts after squat.

I was exhausted at the end of each set, literally had to sit down for a good minute or two to catch my breath. Then again I was working legs, and I went pretty hard. Besides that, I feel ok, maybe a bit more lethargic then usual, but I'm blaming the weather on that :-)

[JBarron]

Bumping this for updates like I said I would. You guys were right, I've been feeling pretty beta that past two days.

Nothing too extremely awful, but I could tell I've been feeling a bit more sad lately.

[Igifuno]

Just stick with it and be aware of the scientifics that are involved with your chemical make up at this stage.. If your profile pic is you and is a recent shot, you've done well and whatever you do, keep up the good work and stay in the gym. Just fight through it and keep up the consistency..

[rc_p90]

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[gbrice75]

Man, I hope i'm one of the people who won't suffer sides too badly, if at all. I just finished a 12 week test e cycle, am off for 2 weeks then starting Clomid/Nolva for 4. Starting to sweat this whole thing... I never would have thought running the cycle would be the easy part...

[chrisx]

Jbarron I know I'm off topic but what was your ab routine like when on cycle?

[JBarron]

Just stick with it and be aware of the scientifics that are involved with your chemical make up at this stage.. If your profile pic is you and is a recent shot, you've done well and whatever you do, keep up the good work and stay in the gym. Just fight through it and keep up the consistency..

yeah, that's me a few weeks ago, pretty much still look the same, not as dry looking though. Yeah I tell myself "hey your alright, it's just the process of running pct"

jkhjkhjkhjk

Come at me bro, lol

Man, I hope i'm one of the people who won't suffer sides too badly, if at all. I just finished a 12 week test e cycle, am off for 2 weeks then starting Clomid/Nolva for 4. Starting to sweat this whole thing... I never would have thought running the cycle would be the easy part...

Ah, I was sweating it too, but it really isn't that bad. Yeah, you have your "down" times, but nothing to extreme. I try to stay focused on maintaining intensity in the gym as well as in the kitchen lol, that takes up most of my time. So don't sweat it to much bro.

Jbarron I know I'm off topic but what was your ab routine like when on cycle?

tbh, I don't hit abs. I can feel them get worked decently hard when doing deadlifts and front squats, the only exercise that I do that emphasizes the abdominals are stomach vacuums every other night, keeps my waistline trim

But heavy compound movements like squats, and deadlifts will work your core abdominals. 2 time Mr. Olympia Franco Columbu admitted that he never worked his abs.

[JBarron]

Little update, I noticed tonight my vision is messed up, I've read that clomid can do that. I was looking at the tv guide and I'm seeing double of everything on the guide.

I've been noticing my vision getting a bit blurry, but shiiit, is this permanent??? I'm thinking bout dropping the clomid, I don't want to **** up my eyesight!

[AthleticEngineering]

It will come back no problem.

[Noles12]

Little update, I noticed tonight my vision is messed up, I've read that clomid can do that. I was looking at the tv guide and I'm seeing double of everything on the guide.

I've been noticing my vision getting a bit blurry, but shiiit, is this permanent??? I'm thinking bout dropping the clomid, I don't want to **** up my eyesight!

Clomid always gives me blurry vision. Its as if i just cant focus and make it clear to where it looks like double. Also night vision gets terrible for me.

But right after i get off it goes back to normal 20/20

[JBarron]

It will come back no problem.

Clomid always gives me blurry vision. Its as if i just cant focus and make it clear to where it looks like double. Also night vision gets terrible for me.

But right after i get off it goes back to normal 20/20

Ok well I will continue it for the remainder of my pct then, thanks guys.

[alpenguy]

Sounds like your doing and are going to be just fine, and your youth is going to help. I have done 10 or so cycles over the years and suffered a shutdown just last year due to a late PCT. for those that have had this happen its pretty tragic. Dont mess around with your pct - just follow the tried and true protocol and you will be just fine

[supersetman]

nice pct log, keep us updated on how the clomid is affecting you, what dose are you using now for clomid.

[chrisx]

Jbarron how far are you now into pct??

[SuperBird]

i hope it goes smooth into your next cycle.

[JBarron]

Ha forgot I was logging this. My pct has been over with for about a week. I feel great and all my muscle is still here. The only thing I could of done without was the acne I got from the ancillaries.

I've picked up some acne tame from need2buildmuscle. It is doing s terrific job I started clearing up the day after I began using it.

I anyone else gets a bit of acne during pct I highly recommend acne tame stacked with a anti oxidant. Works great!

Will be starting next cycle sep. It will consist of test prop, tbol, and masteron. I can't wait !