Tren, deca and anadrol gyno

[manwitplans]

"Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it."

Quoted from C_BINO's thread.

You guys agree?
If you get gyno symptomson anadrol, tren og deca, it would be enough with letro?

I know about prolactin protection from bromo and prami, and so forth.
Just askin what your view is on this?

[dec11]

"Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it."

Quoted from C_BINO's thread.

You guys agree?
If you get gyno symptomson anadrol, tren og deca, it would be enough with letro?

I know about prolactin protection from bromo and prami, and so forth.
Just askin what your view is on this?

dont know about this, i had tren related gyno flare up, my nipple itself didnt change, it was a lump under it

[manwitplans]

dont know about this, i had tren related gyno flare up, my nipple itself didnt change, it was a lump under it

What did you do to combat it?

[dec11]

i used nolva, although something else would prob have been more effective, once i stopped the tren it went back down to normal

[Swifto]

Progesterone related gyno is rare IMHO. The true culprit is estrogen and possibly prolactin.

But there is no evidence 19-Nors actually increase prolactin.

In any case, if the problem is estrogen and/or progesterone, start Tamoxifen treatment immediately at 20mg/ED, then back down to 10mg/ED as a maintenence dose.

But then, if estrogen is controlled, so should prolactin due to how estrogen/prolactin is regulated.

Use an AI (Aromasin) keep a dopamine agonist on hand or run it if you suffer from elevated prolectin and if you run into problems, run Tamoxifen at 20mg/ED, then down to 10mg/ED or increase your AI dose.

[Swifto]

Anadrol actually interects with the ER but doesnt aromotase.

I'll come back to this later...

[manwitplans]

i used nolva, although something else would prob have been more effective, once i stopped the tren it went back down to normal

Oh really? I was under the impression that nolva actually would make tren gyno worse.

Progesterone related gyno is rare IMHO. The true culprit is estrogen and possibly prolactin.

But there is no evidence 19-Nors actually increase prolactin.

In any case, if the problem is estrogen and/or progesterone, start Tamoxifen treatment immediately at 20mg/ED, then back down to 10mg/ED as a maintenence dose.

But then, if estrogen is controlled, so should prolactin due to how estrogen/prolactin is regulated.

Use an AI (Aromasin) keep a dopamine agonist on hand or run it if you suffer from elevated prolectin and if you run into problems, run Tamoxifen at 20mg/ED, then down to 10mg/ED or increase your AI dose.

Hmm, interesting.
I've read numerous times that nolva should not be used with tren, and deca.. Oh well..

Anadrol actually interects with the ER but doesnt aromotase.

I'll come back to this later...

Come back to it now :P

[elcrisp76]

I used tren and deca in my last cycle, got slight gyno towards the end (which went away completely as soon as the cycle ceased..)

I found Nolva was pretty-much useless in combating it.. But that just me..

[Family Guy]

i used nolva, although something else would prob have been more effective, once i stopped the tren it went back down to normal

x2 but i not agree to the nolva. i am on tren,test and eq now. gyno under control. i use 1,12mg letro ed and 2,5mg brom ed. if the lump is not to big not go crazy about it. but if water retention is out of control then i would step it up. my gyno symptoms lumps always goes away after the cycle...

[Swifto]

Oh really? I was under the impression that nolva actually would make tren gyno worse.



Hmm, interesting.
I've read numerous times that nolva should not be used with tren, and deca.. Oh well..




Come back to it now :P

Thats nothing but parrotting and is information based on very bad logic.

The PgR is synthesised in response to estrogen and we know the ER is down-regulated in breast tissue with a fairly high affinity.

Anthony Roberts and Eric Portratz have both stated Tamoxifen upregulates the progesterone receptor (PgR) in breast tissue and should not be used with Tren or Deca.

This logic is based on a few studies on cancer patients and also studies on the female endometrium. The studies on cancer patients cannot be transferred to normal, healthy patients and studies confirm Tamoxifen DOWN-REGULATES the PgR in normal, healthy individuals.

The endometrium is also a very sensitive tissue to estrogen, where Tamoxifen behaves as an agonist, not antagonsit.

So if you get gyno from Tren or Deca, Tamoxifen is fine to use in most people. In some, it may make things worse, but thats very rare and the data on normal, healthy subjects states Tamoxifen down-regulates the ER and PgR.

[manwitplans]

Interesting!

[Swifto]

Interesting!

Prolactin is also regulated via estrogen aromotasation (long feedback mechanism). So an AI should actually help control PRL.

Compounds that interect with the ER can increase PRL.