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    Hey guys, new here, but I've been around the forums for a while unregistered. I thought I'd throw my cycle up and see what you guys thought. I'm competing in JR Canadian Nationals in August.

    height; 6 ft
    weight; 230 lb
    bf; 13%
    age; 19
    18.5 in bicep
    28 inch legs
    54 inch chest


    I'm running:

    1) 2 injectable test blends at 1250 mg every 6 days;
    A) test prop, cyp, enanthate
    B) test prop, cyp, oxymetholone

    2) Oral oxymethalone for contest prop (50 days) at 50mg a day (300mg/ 6 days)

    3) Ancillaries; Arimidex and tamoxifen

    4) Clenbuterol for contest prep 200 mcg a day

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    Fvck ur a big boy for 19! Still 19 is wayy to young for aas use...

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    thats a hell of a cycle to be running at 19.
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    Your to young IMHO, i would carry on building that base you have and use what you have naturally. Also that is way to much for a first cycle, do more research on first cycles and carry on doing what your doing., best of luck

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    Why do you feel that you need that large of a cycle? You dont know how you respond to lower doses and obviously you can put on size without it?

    As Marcus said. You are way too young and i think if you continue what you are doing naturally that you could still make good gains

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    you have great size for your age, hell nice for any age, I'd continue naturally if I were you.

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    just to clarify how this cycle has gone so far:
    In the off season I use only the intramuscular test blends with no orals, no ancillaries, and no clen. The introduction of the other drugs is strictly for contest preparation, and will be dropped after the show. Approaching the show I will also be using lasix and aldactone ( 1 day & 2 days out, respectively).
    Started running gear after competing in my first show and winning my junior provincials. Started at 750 every 6 days, ran that until week 34 and then bumped up to 1000 every 6 days. I bumped up to 1250 10 weeks out from the nationals, and will bump up to 1500 4 weeks out. After the show, back to 1000/ 6 days of only intramuscular test. Second month after show will begin the process of coming off and spend some time allowing my body to find homeostasis without exogenous androgens.

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    I agree with the previous posted advices.

    Be farsighted lol and think about your future also, not only the present.
    That is the key, IMHO, not to end up badly.

    Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    just to clarify how this cycle has gone so far:
    In the off season I use only the intramuscular test blends with no orals, no ancillaries, and no clen. The introduction of the other drugs is strictly for contest preparation, and will be dropped after the show. Approaching the show I will also be using lasix and aldactone ( 1 day & 2 days out, respectively).
    Started running gear after competing in my first show and winning my junior provincials. Started at 750 every 6 days, ran that until week 34 and then bumped up to 1000 every 6 days. I bumped up to 1250 10 weeks out from the nationals, and will bump up to 1500 4 weeks out. After the show, back to 1000/ 6 days of only intramuscular test. Second month after show will begin the process of coming off and spend some time allowing my body to find homeostasis without exogenous androgens.
    May I ask you how you plan to use furesemide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    just to clarify how this cycle has gone so far:
    In the off season I use only the intramuscular test blends with no orals, no ancillaries, and no clen. The introduction of the other drugs is strictly for contest preparation, and will be dropped after the show. Approaching the show I will also be using lasix and aldactone ( 1 day & 2 days out, respectively).
    Started running gear after competing in my first show and winning my junior provincials. Started at 750 every 6 days, ran that until week 34 and then bumped up to 1000 every 6 days. I bumped up to 1250 10 weeks out from the nationals, and will bump up to 1500 4 weeks out. After the show, back to 1000/ 6 days of only intramuscular test. Second month after show will begin the process of coming off and spend some time allowing my body to find homeostasis without exogenous androgens.

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    So this isnt a cycle you just started but rather one you run year round? At 19 years old?

    (I guess that explains the acne i saw in the pics)

    Do you realize the damage you are doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noles12 View Post
    So this isnt a cycle you just started but rather one you run year round? At 19 years old?

    (I guess that explains the acne i saw in the pics)

    Do you realize the damage you are doing?
    I do not think so!

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    Also I am competitive and plan to take my physique as far as I can possibly make it go. I have already secured a few minor sponsors to back my prep, and I feel that with hard work, excellent dieting, and intelligent supplementation I could actually achieve something. I understand that I am young and I understand that most young guys do not by any stretch need the meds and are hoping to use them as a short cut, but I feel that this stereotype does not encapsulate me. This is my passion, it is what I love, and it determines every moment of my life. Especially considering that all my tests are returning normal, I feel that the benefits and potential success far out weigh the risks of using.

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    instead of making snide comments and dropping vague hints at "damage" why dont you gift me with your knowledge. Explain to me the damage that is being done

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    the lasix is used 6 hours before walking on stage to achieve the hardest and most conditioned look possible. 1 pill is taken, though right now I cant remember off the top of my head what the measurement of the pill is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    Also I am competitive and plan to take my physique as far as I can possibly make it go. I have already secured a few minor sponsors to back my prep, and I feel that with hard work, excellent dieting, and intelligent supplementation I could actually achieve something. I understand that I am young and I understand that most young guys do not by any stretch need the meds and are hoping to use them as a short cut, but I feel that this stereotype does not encapsulate me. This is my passion, it is what I love, and it determines every moment of my life. Especially considering that all my tests are returning normal, I feel that the benefits and potential success far out weigh the risks of using.
    So wait are you off now? If not how would you know if they are back to normal.

    Is the hopes of maybe making it big worth the chance of permanently harming your body. Not to say you wont but what happens when you dont go pro. Then you will be stuck on TRT for the rest of your life simply because you were reckless when you were younger

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    Someone that's done research would know everything already, and not need it spoon fed to them.



    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    instead of making snide comments and dropping vague hints at "damage" why dont you gift me with your knowledge. Explain to me the damage that is being done

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    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    instead of making snide comments and dropping vague hints at "damage" why dont you gift me with your knowledge. Explain to me the damage that is being done
    Sure. Do you realize that most individuals at your age are still developing.

    You can permanently damage the development of you HPTA

    stunt your growth

    building muscle too quickly for your ligaments to keep up due to very few years of training on them

    permanently lowering your testosterone (which can lead to low libido, lethargy, depression, etc. and requires treatment for life)

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    You could read this.

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    AGE
    In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

    Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

    Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



    TRAINING
    You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

    Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

    Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


    DIET
    A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

    No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

    This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

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    one would think that a forum of bodybuilders would provide each other with the information they were missing rather than turning into a thread wide inside joke. My blood work is normal, lipids, liver enzymes, heavy metals are all with in normal ranges. So, again, Im not understanding where the damage is coming from. I appreciate your input and am not trying to turn this into a hostile argument or a thread war, but I see no reason why my body is damaged at this point. If you disagree, please provide information, I appreciate all that I can get. Simply pointing out that there will be "damage" is not constructive.

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    Ive been 'training hard' for 5 years, in the gym for 7. Ive competed and won a provincial championship and am preparing for a National competition, my diet is down to a science. I guess HRT is a risk I can take, because these drugs work HOT DAMN

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottomaddox View Post
    You could read this.
    You realize that the only part of this paragraph that could remotely correlate to his training regime is his age right?

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    I dont see a joke here, I see guys giving you advice and you arent happy with what they are saying because it isnt what you want to hear.

    We have provided information on this damage we brought up. I can go pull a bunch of scientific studies proving my points if you like.

    Your bloodwork may show certain values are fine but bloodwork doesnt predict long term effects from starting too young. You have no clue if you will ever restore you natural testosterone due to this long harsh cycle. Look up the effects of low or no testosterone if you think this is a "joke"

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    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    Ive been 'training hard' for 5 years, in the gym for 7. Ive competed and won a provincial championship and am preparing for a National competition, my diet is down to a science. I guess HRT is a risk I can take, because these drugs work HOT DAMN
    Are you sure you would want to risk impotency because you have to be on these "amazing" drugs for life. Im talking possible to not have kids and injections weekly until you die starting at age 20.

    My father just started his TRT at age 50 a few years ago because his levels dropped over time. You could potentially be doing these injections for 30 years before you even reach that age.

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    Duh? Age is the issue. He wanted to know what possible damage could happen if he were to use Anabolis Steroids at a younger age. I provided information as food for thought.
    Thank you. Another kid busting my balls.................

    Quote Originally Posted by daftones View Post
    I'm near 20, and currently about 1/4 way through my first cycle. I've been reamed out hard on here and after understanding why I'm getting all the tough love I agree I am too young. But being young and stubborn, I ran anyway. For me, my endocrine system isn't developed fully yet, and my testicles have shrunk. So we will see what happens post cycle, fingers crossed. If I would have had everything explained to me before hand, I may still have run, I may have not.

    The thing that irks me though is, how it's not looked down upon for a 25 year old who trains and diet's sloppily can use without much of a bitch out, but someone like me, who is on a extremely strict diet and a high intensity regime, will catch extreme amounts of flak...

    Your young, and it's not a great idea. But being young, you don't want to wait, you want the world and you want it right now! Am I right? You may do damage to your endocrine system and end up with low hormone levels for life, you might be fine.

    Either way, stay dedicated.





    Quote Originally Posted by daftones View Post
    You realize that the only part of this paragraph that could remotely correlate to his training regime is his age right?
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    Thanks for your info, the gravity of your knowledge is inescapable.

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    You should take note of what people are saying, they are trying to help you. Trust me you dont know everything at 19yrs old so listen to people who have been there and done it twice over.

    You will become far more knowledgeable if you listen to people who know instead of waiting for what you want to hear.

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    Also I have two professional bodybuilders doing my dieting and my cycle for me. I would conside rthem to be extremely reliable sources of information, and they do not feel that what I am doing is in any ways dangerous. Again I appreciate your info, your answers were, with some probing, comprehensive and thorough. I feel that there is somewhat of a heard mentality here though and that this is resulting in very immediate and very prejudice judgment of my use.

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    Because, they are doctors too? I hope your not buying it from them?


    It's statements like these that lead to this conclusion. (see BOLD)



    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    Also I have two professional bodybuilders doing my dieting and my cycle for me. I would conside rthem to be extremely reliable sources of information, and they do not feel that what I am doing is in any ways dangerous. Again I appreciate your info, your answers were, with some probing, comprehensive and thorough. I feel that there is somewhat of a heard mentality here though and that this is resulting in very immediate and very prejudice judgment of my use.

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    Well my mentality is based on the issues that others have experienced due to cycling too young that i see everyday and the known issues that can arise by injecting AAS before you have fully developed. But you sound set on your decision and dedicated to the sport. I wish you luck and hope for the best for you.

    I am not saying that the pros you are with are not knowledgeable but do they have your long term health in mind? Or are they just worrying about right now?

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    I apologize for the hostile direction this thread has taken, again your info is appreciated, it is not that I am upset with what you are telling me, simply that I disagree with some of it It is not the first time I have heard much of what ahs been said here tonight, and Im sure it wont be the last. Thank you for your info and your help, I will probably upload some contest pictures in the appropriate forum, if anybodies interested check them out at the end of august.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    Ive been 'training hard' for 5 years, in the gym for 7. Ive competed and won a provincial championship and am preparing for a National competition, my diet is down to a science. I guess HRT is a risk I can take, because these drugs work HOT DAMN
    You guess?

    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    Also I have two professional bodybuilders doing my dieting and my cycle for me. I would conside rthem to be extremely reliable sources of information, and they do not feel that what I am doing is in any ways dangerous. Again I appreciate your info, your answers were, with some probing, comprehensive and thorough. I feel that there is somewhat of a heard mentality here though and that this is resulting in very immediate and very prejudice judgment of my use.
    That is the problem.
    Why do you trust them and not us?
    Tell you why, because they tell you what you want to hear and perhaps are even those who sell you the aas.

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    I will check them out. Good luck on your journey and i hope you do well. Feel free to ask for any other advice when you need it here

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    and apologies for the horrific spelling and grammar, on no carbs and no sleep haha

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    and no they do not provide me with drugs of any kind. only information

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    Quote Originally Posted by diAnabolica View Post
    Also I have two professional bodybuilders doing my dieting and my cycle for me. I would conside rthem to be extremely reliable sources of information, and they do not feel that what I am doing is in any ways dangerous. Again I appreciate your info, your answers were, with some probing, comprehensive and thorough. I feel that there is somewhat of a heard mentality here though and that this is resulting in very immediate and very prejudice judgment of my use.
    Just because they are Professional Bodybuilders doesnt mean they have common sense. We are giving you answers based on what we know, and based on studies that have been done. We are only looking out for your best intrest. We have nothing to gain by telling you to quit using steroids. We just dont want to see you do damage to yourself by starting at such an early age.

    There is a reason why this site is the largest, most popular steroid site on the web, because we know what we are talking about. What you see as judgmental, we see as concerned. If your bodybuilder friends are so knowledgeable, then why are you here, asking us questions?

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