starting to panic!

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 02:22 AM

i have started my dianabol course and i ordered some test off a site quite a while ago and now theres a notice on the site sayin no more shipments will be made until 26th of this month and that includes my test!!
i really do need it as am starting to feel the unwanted side effects of dbol ...
Edited

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:24 AM

I have a couple suggestions, read our rules and never start a cycle until you have everything in hand including pct.

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:27 AM

if only someone had discouraged you...oh, wait...

First timer help please!

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 02:32 AM

sorry i was unsure about what i could and couldn't say on here i appologise.
the thing is is the test was actually due to come before my dbol ...but....it hasn't turned up...a friend said he could sort something out and he never did...i was under the impression he would sort it for me so i could take the test within the first week of taking the dbol...but i've only got a few more days left...
i know it seems like i'm not prepared but i do have my pct tabs just been let down on test

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:33 AM

stop now and run pct

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 02:36 AM

part of my pct is to be run with the dbol ??!! i'm abit confused i know i can take dbol with out test the whole process is just guna be a whole lot harder....

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Big

stop now and run pct

Originally Posted by deany1988

part of my pct is to be run with the dbol??!! i'm abit confused i know i can take dbol with out test the whole process is just guna be a whole lot harder....

no, stop taking the dbol and run your pct.

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 02:41 AM

i understand that you were saying to stop dbol but part of my pct was to take novladex with dbol starting on week 3...will it not matter if i dont take it with dbol...
you have to go easy on me mate im new to this and everyone has to start somewhere

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:43 AM

we were all new at some point, but no, don't take steroids on pct. I'm not even sure what you mean by taking nolva with dbol starting week 3, week 3 of what?

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 02:49 AM

this is the cycle was going to do
week 1: 30mg dbol , 250mg test
week 2: 30mg dbol, 250mg test
week 3: 40mg dbol, 250mg test, 10mg/day nolva
week 4: same as above
week 5: same as above
week 6: 30mg dbol, 250mg test, 10mg/day nolva
week 7: 50mg/day clomid, 250mg test
week 8: same as above
week 9 and 10: just test

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:50 AM

ouch, so you haven't even planned a pct.

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 02:54 AM

my pct is nolva and clomid....
i sorted this out with another bloke form this site..

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 02:57 AM

ok, please list the pct...as in when it starts, dosages, etc.

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 03:03 AM

my pct starts in week 3 of my cycle...i did just post above my cycle and this includes my pct...

week 1: 30mg dbol , 250mg test
week 2: 30mg dbol, 250mg test
week 3: 40mg dbol, 250mg test, 10mg/day nolva
week 4: same as above
week 5: same as above
week 6: 30mg dbol, 250mg test, 10mg/day nolva
week 7: 50mg/day clomid, 250mg test
week 8: same as above
week 9 and 10: just test

i wanted to take novla at the start of the third week of my cycle to avoid gyno...
however i didn't think i would need as much clomid and nolva, as i was going to run test through the cycle as well, i am also taking milk thistle

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:04 AM

PCT does not occur while cycling

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 03:05 AM

so I was correct, you haven't even planned a pct.

look just stop everything and plan a pct, you are in WAY over your head.

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:05 AM

You are shut down while on cycle therefore PCT during a cycle is useless. You really should stop everything. Then start on a PCT of just Clomid and Nolva. Then spend tons of time researching before you put anything else in your body

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 03:06 AM

i have read on a few sites that you can run pct while on cycle and this is to avoid gyno and as at the moment i don't have any test i thought this would be a good idea

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by deany1988

i have read on a few sites that you can run pct while on cycle and this is to avoid gyno and as at the moment i don't have any test i thought this would be a good idea

ok I give up

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:07 AM

Once again PCT means POST CYCLE THERAPY not on cycle therapy. There i s a reason why we keep telling you to stop now because you are so uneducated on the subject

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 03:10 AM

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) : Nolvadex is a SERM. It selectively binds to certain estrogen receptors, effectively blocking the estrogen and stopping unwanted sides such as gyno. It DOES NOT lower estro levels in the blood, it only blocks it from binding to certain receptors. It also helps your blood fat levels. It does not suppress LH, blocks desired estro receptors and helps stop HCG from desensitizing your testicles to natural LH. Nolva should be used during HCG therapy, at 20 mg a day, for the reason i just mentioned. Can be used during cycle if you see signs of gyno. Its mainly used to block the estrogen spike when you come off cycle, and should be used right through to the end until natural test levels are back. One drawback to consider about Nolva is that it may cause progesterone receptors to become more sensitive. This means that while using progestins such as Deca or Tren , you may become more sensetive to progestin related gyno.
i dont no how tp put this as a quote but read it its from this site in the pct section that i read....
it says nolva can be used ON cycle

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:12 AM

Nolva is used on cycle for issues with gyno. That is not why we use it in PCT though. Please stop now and research. This is my last attempt at helping you. If you want to remain stubborn then i am out too

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by deany1988

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) : Nolvadex is a SERM. It selectively binds to certain estrogen receptors, effectively blocking the estrogen and stopping unwanted sides such as gyno. It DOES NOT lower estro levels in the blood, it only blocks it from binding to certain receptors. It also helps your blood fat levels. It does not suppress LH, blocks desired estro receptors and helps stop HCG from desensitizing your testicles to natural LH. Nolva should be used during HCG therapy, at 20 mg a day, for the reason i just mentioned. Can be used during cycle if you see signs of gyno. Its mainly used to block the estrogen spike when you come off cycle, and should be used right through to the end until natural test levels are back. One drawback to consider about Nolva is that it may cause progesterone receptors to become more sensitive. This means that while using progestins such as Deca or Tren , you may become more sensetive to progestin related gyno.
i dont no how tp put this as a quote but read it its from this site in the pct section that i read....
it says nolva can be used ON cycle

I'm blown away that you have the audacity to attempt to educate us on this subject. of course serms can be used on cycle, as can aromatase inhibitors. that has absolutely nothing to do with post cycle therapy .

you go ahead and take whatever you want junior, I spent time trying to help you, but I wasted my time, you are helpless.

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 03:15 AM

this is why i have asked for help before....
i have had to find all these things out myself and no one has advised me on any sort of cycle i should do so i have had to try and work it out myself...
as i said earlier you all had to start somewhere and i am sure you were given advise on your first cycle from someone experienced so why is no one willing to help me in the first place...
why is it now that i have started you are all saying no its wrong stop

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by deany1988

this is why i have asked for help before....
i have had to find all these things out myself and no one has advised me on any sort of cycle i should do so i have had to try and work it out myself...
as i said earlier you all had to start somewhere and i am sure you were given advise on your first cycle from someone experienced so why is no one willing to help me in the first place...
why is it now that i have started you are all saying no its wrong stop

You are ridiculous. Our help is suggesting you to research before putting something in your body. We have experience and know what we are doing. You are not ready for it and are harming your body. This is why we are saying to STOP!!!You need to run a proper PCT with no AAS to restore your levels and then educate yourself

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 03:18 AM

all i am getting is judged here and all i have asked for is advise...
rather than just telling me i am wrong why will no one say this is wrong i think you should do it like this...
all anyone has ever said to me from the day i signed up here was no, no, no...

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 03:21 AM

forget it when will you see what i am saying? i have tried to educate myself as best i can

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by deany1988

all i am getting is judged here and all i have asked for is advise...
rather than just telling me i am wrong why will no one say this is wrong i think you should do it like this...
all anyone has ever said to me from the day i signed up here was no, no, no...

Alright i will give you advise. That is a terrible cycle. You do not run a PCT on cycle. Nolva can be used to combat estrogenic sides as can an AI. Test should be the base because you are shutting down your natural production. A PCT is run after the cycle in order to restore your natural levels

And finally my most important advice is to stop being stubborn and realize their is a reason why everyone is saying no. It is obvious you havent done any real research because you could easily understand a basic cycle and PCT just from reading on here.

Now then for the 4th time you need to stop the cycle you are on. The way you are doing this is harmful to your health and you need to restore your levels then listen and take the advice that is given. Stop looking for what you want to see but rather get the hint when everyone says the same thing

**BROKEN** · 07-15-2010, 03:38 AM

Natural selection?

Let the kid "win" this argument!!!!

**Big** · 07-15-2010, 03:39 AM

hmmmm...so to summarize, on 7/5/10 you had just ordered an 8 week cycle of dbol , nolva, and clomid, and everyone told you not to do it.
First timer help please!

on 7/7/10 you state that you have done a lot of research and still want to try dbol
how to avoid water retention

on 7/9/10 you have a 6 week cycle of winny coming in the post
how many times a day should i be working out??

on 7/12/10 you are confused because you bought dbol off the internet, but someone told you what you received might be winny
winny real or fake??

but today you are stressed that you are already on this dbol only cycle and your test hasn't made it yet, the test that you ordered "quite a while ago"....
and some people wonder why steroids have such a bad reputation in the media and in the eyes of the general public.

**BROKEN** · 07-15-2010, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by deany1988

all i am getting is judged here and all i have asked for is advise...
rather than just telling me i am wrong why will no one say this is wrong i think you should do it like this...
all anyone has ever said to me from the day i signed up here was no, no, no...

I like consistancy!!

**xo3et** · 07-15-2010, 03:50 AM

Deany You really haven't read or understood enough to be using AAS. The knowledge required for using AAS is one of the most important parts to cycling due to preventing damage to the body and knowing what to do if any problems.

You need to listen to the replies you have been getting, dont worry you can cycle another time in the future. What worries me is if your not clued up on pushing a foreign substance into your body then what is your diet like or even your training method?

Good things come to those who wait, where AAS are concerned this is about a truer saying as can be said.

**marcus300** · 07-15-2010, 03:56 AM

Stop taking steroids of any kind and run a pct and dont go near steroids again till you know what your doing, listen i will say it again STOP TAKING ALL STEROIDS

**BJJ** · 07-15-2010, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by deany1988

i have started my dianabol course and i ordered some test off a site quite a while ago and now theres a notice on the site sayin no more shipments will be made until 26th of this month and that includes my test!!
i really do need it as am starting to feel the unwanted side effects of dbol ...
Edited

What did you do?
No cycle should be started without having all the required drugs to run it properly, including PCT.

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Stop taking steroids of any kind and run a pct and dont go near steroids again till you know what your doing, listen i will say it again STOP TAKING ALL STEROIDS

I think this makes 6 times now maybe 7.

OP do you see the trend. Maybe we might actually know what we are talking about. But of course its not what you want to hear so it means we are just saying no and not giving you advice right?

**Berserker88** · 07-15-2010, 05:51 AM

Dude, listen these people and READ more.

Stop your cycle.

I was in the same boat as you before my first cycle, but i read and read and read before starting and ended up with a great cycle thanks to the help of the articles around here.

**BennyLom** · 07-15-2010, 06:12 AM

"This (thread) is madness!" Starting on the cycle without having all the gear!? Madness, madness and madness.

**dsldsl1980** · 07-15-2010, 09:09 AM

I'm guessing what you want to hear is to finish your dbol then do pct. The reason no one recommends that is because you have not read what you need to or do not fully understand it. I understand it is tough if you don't have a close friend to explain it in detail but that just means you need to read more. All the advice given has been given to hundreds of people before you and you would see that if you simply spend 30 min a day on this forum. It's funny how often this stuff comes up and I understand why people get frustrated with people like you. If your here asking questions I would recommend listening to the advice you get.

**Nooomoto** · 07-15-2010, 10:54 AM

Deany, you like learning things the hard way, don't you? Why do you ask people for advice and then not listen to them? If that's what you are going to do, then quit wasting everyones time with your multiple threads.

**deany1988** · 07-15-2010, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Big

hmmmm...so to summarize, on 7/5/10 you had just ordered an 8 week cycle of dbol , nolva, and clomid, and everyone told you not to do it.
First timer help please!

on 7/7/10 you state that you have done a lot of research and still want to try dbol
how to avoid water retention

on 7/9/10 you have a 6 week cycle of winny coming in the post
how many times a day should i be working out??

on 7/12/10 you are confused because you bought dbol off the internet, but someone told you what you received might be winny
winny real or fake??

but today you are stressed that you are already on this dbol only cycle and your test hasn't made it yet, the test that you ordered "quite a while ago"....
and some people wonder why steroids have such a bad reputation in the media and in the eyes of the general public.

basically so there is no confusion and you obviously are trying to make me look like an idiot....
a few weeks ago i was going to run a test only cycle...so as i have run test before about a year ago...i thought i would try it again and do things properly this time...so i ordered it...
while down the gym some people advised me to try dbol with the test so i found a site on the net that sold dbol nolvadex and clomid as a package so i brought that and thought what do i have to loose...
i then joined up to this site...
then when talking to my mates and showed them what i had they said that what i had brought looked like winny...which i then found out was anabol...the yellow ones apparently new on the market...i checked out the tabs and they all seem ok...
once i had my dbol i had noticed how my test was taking a lot longer than i thought seeing as i had ordered it before the dbol...
today i was asking about the test and what to do you have all advised me what to do and thats cool thanks just don't need all the attitude from most people....as i am no "kid" i am a human being...
i only started the dbol 4 days ago

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