Cycle 2 Ideas. Comments please.

[LeroyB]

Thanks all first off. The knowledge on here is superb, my first cycle went so smooth. Very happy.

Stats:
34 / 220lbs / 19% bf (not into this for aesthetics, mostly sport,)
Training 8 years.
Previous cycle 500 Test E per week (10 weeks) / Dbol Kicker 3 weeks @ 30pd (dont like dbol anymore!) Gained almost 16 lbs - kept about 8.

I am priming with keto now and will be switching over to clean bulk in a month or so.

[EDIT NEW PLAN BELOW]
Cycle
39 Day burst cycle.
Test Prop @ 100 EoD
NPP @ 50 EoD
HCG @ 250 E 4th day.
2g Prop / 1g NPP / 2250uis HCG over 39 days.
PCT
4 days after last shot.
39 days
Clomid 25 @ ED
Nolva 20 @ ED



I had 0 sides on test e @ 500. I did have some sides with dbol (ichy nips etc..)
Would like to shoot for 10 pounds in 35 days - 7 after PCT?
Comments?

[LeroyB]

Ive edited this a couple of times.
Bump for feedback?

[Bossman]

Test dose seems kinda low, even more so considering you ran 500 EW before and the fact that this is a short cycle. I would bump up the test to 150-200 MG EOD (525-700mg EW) and make a similar increase in the NPP to at least 100mg ED (350mg EW). Personally I would shoot ED to help keep hormone levels steady and you would be shooting less volume Ed as well.

[D7M]

Thanks all first off. The knowledge on here is superb, my first cycle went so smooth. Very happy.

Stats:
34 / 220lbs / 19% bf (not into this for aesthetics, mostly sport,)
Training 8 years.
Previous cycle 500 Test E per week (10 weeks) / Dbol Kicker 3 weeks @ 30pd (dont like dbol anymore!) Gained almost 16 lbs - kept about 8.

I am priming with keto now and will be switching over to clean bulk in a month or so.

[EDIT NEW PLAN BELOW]
Cycle
39 Day burst cycle.
Test Prop @ 100 EoD
NPP @ 50 EoD
HCG @ 250 E 4th day.
2g Prop / 1g NPP / 2250uis HCG over 39 days.
PCT
4 days after last shot.
39 days
Clomid 25 @ ED
Nolva 20 @ ED



I had 0 sides on test e @ 500. I did have some sides with dbol (ichy nips etc..)
Would like to shoot for 10 pounds in 35 days - 7 after PCT?
Comments?

What sport do you play?

What will be your anticipated body fat when starting your cycle?

I think you'll see much, much better results from the type of cycle you proposed if you reduce body fat significantly first.

[AlphaGenetics]

To reach your goals diet is going to be key here. Hopefully you have that planned as well.

[LeroyB]

What sport do you play?

What will be your anticipated body fat when starting your cycle?

I think you'll see much, much better results from the type of cycle you proposed if you reduce body fat significantly first.

Rugby - Hooker. (looking forward to some power-lifting in the future as well)
Im looking to gain a few quality pounds.
BF should be about 16% at start. (on keto now and few a while longer)

[LeroyB]

To reach your goals diet is going to be key here. Hopefully you have that planned as well.

Totally.
Oats / Chicken / Tuna.
I eat 6 meals a day counting PWO Shake.
Not as good as 8 (ive done that as well) but good enough for sport.

[LeroyB]

Test dose seems kinda low, even more so considering you ran 500 EW before and the fact that this is a short cycle. I would bump up the test to 150-200 MG EOD (525-700mg EW) and make a similar increase in the NPP to at least 100mg ED (350mg EW). Personally I would shoot ED to help keep hormone levels steady and you would be shooting less volume Ed as well.

Good call I am still new (only done one cycle so didn't want to push it) but that doesn't seem like a bad idea. Ive never run NPP before so I am guessing a little at the dosage.

[LeroyB]

Bump for more feedback.

[marcus300]

You need to cut your body fat before cycling even though your goal isnt to be cut up, the chances of sides will increase when your on cycle so you will be better suited if you shred more bf. If you implement the right pre cycle prime you will create a better environment for tissue to grow when you do start the short cycle, one of the advantages of priming before the cycle is that you reduce your bf and in this case this would be ideal for someone who is carrying 19%. My advice is I wouldn't do this via a Keto but more carb cycling this will aid far more muscle tissue and wont adjust your metabolism whch is something you dont want to happen during a prime.

The short cycle you have planned out is very lame, the dosages are low especially if its only for a short period of time, you can easily double the dose of your main compounds especially if your going to spring board out of a pre cycle prime.

[LeroyB]

That size of the cycle was the main thing I wanted to know Marcus thanks as always. I am going to adjust them - suggestions?
Couple of comments as well.

I was at 15% BF on my first cycle and everything was smooth.
Any reason I need to be below that again?

On Keto - Ive run it a few times and had really good success.
I would like to stay on Keto until I get down to 15% - 16% then cycle carbs then start my bulk.

[EDIT 2 NEW PLAN BELOW]
Cycle
40 Day burst cycle.
Test Prop @ 200 EoD
NPP @ 150 EoD
HCG @ 250 E 4th day.
Totals: 4g Prop / 3g NPP / 2500uis HCG
PCT
4 days after last shot.
40 days
Clomid 25 @ ED
Nolva 20 @ ED

[LeroyB]

bump for feedback on new version of 2nd cycle