Deca and Test? how long?

**Jenseno9** · 02-10-2003, 11:27 PM

Just putting a cycle together for a friend.. He's made a lot of gains in the past year and now wants to take it to the next level. I told him that he should use test, deca . But the question I have is should the test and deca but ran for the same amount of time...I was think about 10 weeks.
test e 400mg 1-10
Deca 300mg 1-10?
clomid ? about 2 weeks after?

Thanks,
Jens

**redrumkev** · 02-10-2003, 11:31 PM

I would run them for 10-12 weeks. Run them together the whole time. I would shoot once a week or every 4 days is better. 150mg deca - 200mg test if done twice a week (4 days) or just 400mg and 300mg once a week. You can put both in the one needle, I would suggest using a 3cc 22 or 23g 1.5 inch, atleast thats what I use. Clomid 17 to 21 days after last inject.

good luck

**MBaraso** · 02-11-2003, 12:36 AM

I'd wait 3 weeks then start clomid.

**strollin** · 02-11-2003, 12:51 AM

If he wants to take it to the next level he should run 750 test 1-12 and 400mg deca 1-12 hit it with some fina at 75mg eod 6-12. Most would run fina 1-6, but in theory in the last few weeks before the end of a cycle your body starts to slow down due to consant levels of a steroid . So this is when you need to shock the body to sqeeze out some more quality gains. Fina is a fast acting highly anabolic steroid and shock the body into some serious finishing gains. It will also help to shred some of those muscle that the deca bloated. always use an anti-e on cycle like Letrozole at 1.25mg ed. finish with hcg starting 3 weeks after last inject. run 5000 iu hcg for 2 weeks and 2500 iu hcg for 1 week and use 20mg nolvadex ed 15-21

**Jenseno9** · 02-11-2003, 01:03 AM

Woah strollin...its his first cycle. Maybe I left that out.

**JULY GTP** · 02-11-2003, 11:28 AM

strollin cycle is pretty good but dont need to take hcg , short cycle 12wks just go straight clomid that should do it

**Jenseno9** · 02-11-2003, 12:16 PM

Fina should never be used for a first cycle though

**majorpecs** · 02-11-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Jenseno9
Fina should never be used for a first cycle though

Why? Besides everyday injects, why do you say this?

**Jenseno9** · 02-11-2003, 12:56 PM

Everyday yes, and also it is a very toxic aas. I have heard many times on this board that fina shouldnt be used in a FIRST cycle.

**monstercojones** · 02-11-2003, 01:01 PM

ED injects are really the only deterrant to using fina first cycle. theres really no legitimate reason not to include it IMO.

**DIRT09** · 02-11-2003, 04:51 PM

Hey Jens that is the exact cycle I used for my first time. I did the same doses for only 8 weeks and went from 175-200 lbs. A lot of it was water weight but I was satisfied with the results for sure.