1st cycle tren/dbol explanation?

[supersafado]

Ok. First cycle ever. 26yrs. 6ft. 185lbs.

Now from everything I'be researched and read about has told me tren a/dbol are a great cycle but not for a first cycle. It's for more experienced... I know.

Right now that's what is available to me but with everyone saying terrible idea on first cycle I'm changing my mind.

Can someone tell me why you think it's bad. I'm not doing this alone. So if it's diet or workout that's not a concern. Also not worried about pct. I'm just researching and pct is on the list.

So can someone give me an expination of why it's a bad idea? Backed up with facts and reasons please. I'm not arguing the fact just trying to understand.

Thanks

[nilrac]

You always want test as your cycle base. If you go ahead and pump a load of tren and dbol into your system you are going to shut yourself down and suffer libido problems. If you run a good amount of test along with these compounds you will feel much better on cycle.

Other things to take notice of are that tren is considered an advanced compound and it can have harsh sides. 19nors can also have tricky gyno issues.

Dbol is also hepatoxic and probably won't give you quality gains, just fast water weight gain. It's usually used to kickstart a good cycle which includes test.

However as stated above, the main concern with the cycle you are suggesting is sexual dysfunction. You obviously haven't been researching enough if you don't know this.

If I were you I would check out the sticky at the top of the forum concerning "beginner cycle".

GL.

[richtries]

both compounds will shut down your natural testosterone, so if your not using an external source of testosterone (which you are not), you will have no testosterone in your body. testosterone is what makes us men, so amongst other things you can pretty much forget about having any sex drive or full use of your penis.

also tren for a first cycle is a BAD idea, its one of the harshest compounds thats available, you wont be able to handle it.

[Matt]

Look at running a test only cycle for your first time...

[AlphaGenetics]

Its like throwing a non swimmer in the deep end for his first lesson. Gonna drown. Tren can cause all kinds of harsh sides, from temp. to permanant libido loss, tricky gyno issues, mental issues, and difficult recovery. If you research you will find out more than we can spoon feed you. gl

[Big]

NEVER run tren without test, when you are ready for a first cycle we recommend test only.
what is your diet, in detail?
what is your planned pct specifically?

[supersafado]

I'm new to this so I'm just now doing the research. I'm trying to make sure I understand everything before I start. I started thread because everything I had read was pretty vague in regards to tren.

What I have available to me is 8 weeks of tren ace (which from what I hear does amazing things) and dianabol.

If u could get my hands on some test e or test prop would tren and dbol be something to consider? And if so what would an 8 week cycle look like? Kinda limited to what's available and I like that you won't bloated with tren. Open for suggestions. Feel free to scratch the whole idea and give some new ideas.

as for diet it's in line. very clean, high in protein not too many carbs. Basically a 40/40/20 diet. all the right oils and vitamins. I feel comfortable with that part.

Pct. Is a whole nother matter. i'm researching but still don't understand. I won't be starting anything till I have everything in line and understand it all.

[Big]

what is your body fat%?
what are your goals?

[supersafado]

15% bf
I wanna cut that to 10%
End goal 200lbs. Might be a stretch.

[Big]

your goals are obtainable naturally, if you do choose to cycle it should be test only

[AlphaGenetics]

I would not risk running tren for your first cycle. You definatly dont want to run it by itself, that would be worse than running it with test for your first cycle. You need to do a test only cycle and see how you respond and what sides you may get from that. You may be gyno prone to test and or tren and both are treated differently. If you run both and have gyno flare up you dont know which compound caused it. This is just another reason to run test only for your first cycle.

[gymfu]

Dude these guys know what they are talking about. Before I started my first one I came on this board and asked about tren also, a freind of mine told me tren is great stuff, and it is but has very difficult sides. You will see very good gains with a 400/wk test e or c cycle.
One more thing, I thought my diet was good to go also and I ran my cycle, made good gains and when I finnished I lost everything I gained!!!!!

Comes to find out my diet was not that good, please post your exact diet, with macros. Let these guys critique it. I promise that there is room for improvment.

Just my opinion.

[Knockout_Power]

This seems to be getting very common now adays... is it because the celebritie cycles have been released and they all have tren in them that all the local shady suppliers only carry tren and dbol? weird shit... lots of people are going to hurt their bodies