how to deal with a plateau,I think

**tazmaniac1** · 07-17-2010, 07:40 AM

I am about 12 weeks into my first cycle and have noticed a plateau in size and strength the size gains were more definition than size but the definition has noticably soften my weight hasnt changed much, work outs havent changed but have leveled, so the question is what to do at this point, diet , gear, ???

stats
6'4
240 lbs
17 bf
48 age

600test/cyp
350 dec
.5 anastro eod
hcg 250iu eod

**Big** · 07-17-2010, 07:43 AM

how long is the proposed cycle and what is the planned pct?

**dec11** · 07-17-2010, 07:44 AM

id be looking at either diet or poss under dosed/bunk gear. did you have any sides? also tht was quite an under taking for a 1st cycle!

**tazmaniac1** · 07-17-2010, 08:01 AM

When I started I was doing 400 test/200 dec did that for 5 weeks and have slowly increased and adding HCG and anast watching sides which I didn't have any, the current protocol has only been 2 weeks

**Big** · 07-17-2010, 08:09 AM

what I'm asking is what is the planned cycle in it's entirety and what/when is the planned pct?

**tazmaniac1** · 07-17-2010, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Big

how long is the proposed cycle and what is the planned pct?

BIG

Good question, haven't put an end on the cycle yet and as far as pct I am researching that and I am listening to any advice (hint)

**dec11** · 07-17-2010, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by tazmaniac1

BIG

Good question, haven't put an end on the cycle yet and as far as pct I am researching that and I am listening to any advice (hint)

you are going about this very badly

**Big** · 07-17-2010, 08:24 AM

Most cycles are around 12 weeks, at which point you come off cycle, run a full pct, and give your body plenty of time to recover. the idea is that the longer you stay suppressed, the more you increase the chances of long term (possibly permanent) damage to your HPTA.
that being said, at 48 you may want to consider trt, but that's a choice you have to make.

**AlphaGenetics** · 07-17-2010, 09:39 AM

At your age recovery will be much harder than when you were young. Your gonna want to either end the cycle asap and start pct or start thinking about getting on trt for the rest of your life.

**AlphaGenetics** · 07-17-2010, 09:41 AM

Just curious but how did you feel on this cycle? More energy, libido, and sence of well being? I personally would not have run the decca for your first cycle. Hopefully you dont have any gyno issues going on.

**tazmaniac1** · 07-17-2010, 10:21 AM

Energy is better labido has never been better my gyno has just about gone mostly diet but like I originally posted noticed some softness maube fighting gyno, let's say I want pct what would be a good pct this would be a good time since I am going onvacation for the next two weeks

Tha nks

**AlphaGenetics** · 07-17-2010, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by tazmaniac1

Energy is better labido has never been better my gyno has just about gone mostly diet but like I originally posted noticed some softness maube fighting gyno, let's say I want pct what would be a good pct this would be a good time since I am going onvacation for the next two weeks

Tha nks

nolva 40/20/20/20/20
clomid 100/75/50/50/50

This is the pct I have used over the years. I wouldnt say its fun though.

**tazmaniac1** · 07-17-2010, 08:59 PM

thank you for everyones help the biggest problem and nothing to do with my original post is that this whole process started because of TRT which I am still getting weekly pins from my doctor but in the process I got greedy and wanted to increase my size and strength so here i am 12 weeks into this cycle still receiving theropy libido has never been better gyno is disappearing for now.Diet is great my goals along with keeping labido in tack is strength/definition and some size being 48 not interested in getting really big. and not being as educated as I should be everyones help is appreciated this is going to be long term

**tazmaniac1** · 07-17-2010, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by AlphaGenetics

nolva 40/20/20/20/20
clomid 100/75/50/50/50

This is the pct I have used over the years. I wouldnt say its fun though.

why wasnt it fun

**big_ron** · 07-17-2010, 09:24 PM

clomid/nolva have some side effects, and comming off just feels shit

**Fetch** · 07-17-2010, 11:30 PM

It must be said, not everybody has negative sides off Nolva/Clomid though. I always feel great with the PCT listed above.

**rbg** · 07-18-2010, 07:35 AM

Give your androgen receptors a break and come off cycle. 12 weeks is about the length you want to do a cycle like this for. Start PCT, and leave it at least 6 weeks from the last injection before considering another cycle. the longer in between, the better on your natural test production.

Good luck.

**cobra305** · 07-18-2010, 08:14 AM

If you are receiving weekly test shots from your dr (trt) you do not need to pct. You can discontinue your cycle keep cruising with the prescribed dosage and give your body a break before your next cycle.

**tazmaniac1** · 07-18-2010, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by cobra305

If you are receiving weekly test shots from your dr (trt) you do not need to pct. You can discontinue your cycle keep cruising with the prescribed dosage and give your body a break before your next cycle.

how long would you cruise before you start next cycle before noticing losses in size/strength

**cobra305** · 07-18-2010, 01:29 PM

I am not on trt so I could not say, why don't you post that question in the trt forum you may get more responses from people in your similar situation.

**AlphaGenetics** · 07-18-2010, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by tazmaniac1

why wasnt it fun

Because I felt like dog shit, no libido, depression and fatigue. Im 39 so recovery has been harder the older I get. When I was in my late 20's recovery was fairly easy.