stack / advice

**sncarmody** · 07-17-2010, 09:12 PM

I am 29 years old, used gear off and on for years...I have acquired a mild case of gyno after going off the gear for a few years...

Currently weigh 198 lbs, 5'11" tall
big arms, shoulders, traps - always had trouble with chest development

I invested in the following with the goal of shedding about 10-15lbs mostly in the hip and stomach areas, then maintaining good lean gains and working on the chest specifically:

20ml - 100mg Trenbalone Acetate
200 - 50mg Edited Winny Tabs
30 - 50mg Edited Dianabol Tabs
20ml - 200mg Deca Durabolin
30 - 2.5 mg Letrozole Tabs (dosing at .5mg per day)
30 Cialis Tabs (to combat libido loss from Deca , Letro and Tren )

Cardio 20min - 3x per week - clean/lean diet - lifting heavy

I should probably run some test somewhere in the mix...

Looking for some stacking advice...

I understand the effects the Letro and Winny will have on my joints...

I have used all the above (minus the Letro) in different bulking stacks previously...

attached is a photo from previous cycle, chest looks good, but gyno is visible, and a bit worse now...

I chose Tren and Winny since they do not convert to estrogen...and I have seen great strength gains from both while maintaining specific body weight...

I chose Deca for the long acting effect and to lube the joints...

The Dbol was to be used as either a kickstart for the chest (I realize the gains would be temporary and mostly water) but figured the tren, deca and winny would keep things looking dry and hard after....

The Letro is to attempt to eliminate/reduce the existing gyno and prevent further symptoms...

Looking for the best combo / timing for the above gear to reach goal...most important is gyno elimination and lean gains overall...

**jojomcgo** · 07-17-2010, 09:22 PM

I have no idea and wont even try to give advice as my self am still learning about aas but im interested to see what every one says and i wonder if there is any kinda side from taking all the low and non estrogen aas ??? i thought estrogen was important for muscle build?? hell guess ill have to see what every one says but keep me posted if you do run it i want to know how it works out ,,.

**sncarmody** · 07-17-2010, 09:28 PM

You are correct, Estrogen is essential...however my goal is centered around elimation of gyno and lean/moderate gains...the bigger concern is my liver...will def have to monitor...I am interested to hear some thoughts as well...

**jojomcgo** · 07-17-2010, 09:36 PM

yea thats my understanding that you need some estrogen but you do got dbol in the mix but again as the cycling goes i don't know. But i got some of the same concerns my self as the gyno and liver goes so im interested to hear what some one with some more knowledge might tell you if you get some good reviews maybe ill give it a go we'll see, if it's one thing for sure on here the vet's aint shy and from what i can tell a lot of them make sense, of course i always double check info i read on here my self but like said i wanna see what they got to say..

**liftw8t** · 07-17-2010, 09:45 PM

wow dude taking it to the head lol.... but a few things.

1) Being no Test, i mean i saw that you said you have run previous cycle have you done one with out test, because those two Nor compounds (Tren and Deca might be harsh).

2) Letro might be a bit heavy, if you are sensitive to gyno as am i, I found that .5mg E3D works fine or just two times a week plus you have to remember alot of the estrogen sides from tren and deca are prolactin generated so you might want to consider caber or bromo which leads me to another point.

3) 30 mg of cialis that often is bonkers, not to knock your sex life but i have taken 15mg of cialis actually 10mg and was wired for like 3 days unbelievably. I just wanted to see how it worked but point i'm getting to is that i have heard your body wont be as sensitive to cialis if you take that kind of dose very often because remember it stays in system for 36-48 hours. Also considering Caber @ .5mg E3D might be a better bet due to keep prolactins down and help with sex drive.

**Big** · 07-17-2010, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by sncarmody

I am 29 years old, used gear off and on for years...I have acquired a mild case of gyno after going off the gear for a few years...

Currently weigh 198 lbs, 5'11" tall
big arms, shoulders, traps - always had trouble with chest development

I invested in the following with the goal of shedding about 10-15lbs mostly in the hip and stomach areas, then maintaining good lean gains and working on the chest specifically:

20ml - 100mg Trenbalone Acetate
200 - 50mg Edited Winny Tabs
30 - 50mg Edited Dianabol Tabs
20ml - 200mg Deca Durabolin
30 - 2.5 mg Letrozole Tabs (dosing at .5mg per day)
30 Cialis Tabs (to combat libido loss from Deca , Letro and Tren )

Cardio 20min - 3x per week - clean/lean diet - lifting heavy

I should probably run some test somewhere in the mix...

Looking for some stacking advice...

I understand the effects the Letro and Winny will have on my joints...

I have used all the above (minus the Letro) in different bulking stacks previously...

attached is a photo from previous cycle, chest looks good, but gyno is visible, and a bit worse now...

I chose Tren and Winny since they do not convert to estrogen...and I have seen great strength gains from both while maintaining specific body weight...

I chose Deca for the long acting effect and to lube the joints...

The Dbol was to be used as either a kickstart for the chest (I realize the gains would be temporary and mostly water) but figured the tren, deca and winny would keep things looking dry and hard after....

The Letro is to attempt to eliminate/reduce the existing gyno and prevent further symptoms...

Looking for the best combo / timing for the above gear to reach goal...most important is gyno elimination and lean gains overall...

should probably run some test?
personally I would use the letro to run a gyno reversal before cycling and see how that works, level off, then ren a cycle without the letro. if an ai is used on cycle I'd use arimidex , start at .25mg/eod and adjust as needed. and yes, you need some test in there.
as for the cialis, it does nothing for libido, it only aids in getting an erection. if you construct the cycle properly you shouldn't need it.

**sncarmody** · 07-17-2010, 09:58 PM

Good Stuff...

with regard to the Cialis, I have 30 tabs, not taking 30 mg! that is nuts...I break those things up into 1/4's and I am good...good point about libido versus erections....

I will def get the test, prop or enanthate likely...unless anyone suggests otherwise...

The prolactin side effects are a concern...

great insight...thanks to all

is the gyno as visible in the photo as I think it is? or am I paranoid?

**liftw8t** · 07-17-2010, 10:16 PM

yeah definately get something for prolactins because I ran a cycle with adex EOD and got gyno symtoms and was like WTF, and I realized it wasnt neccessary estrogen related but more prolactins did a gyno reversal with letro but its a killer man joints hurt drys you out, erections were fine but had no sensation which was fine for my wife but hell i didnt come for 3 weeks after being on for 9 days.