Trying to avoid shut down. Need some good advice...

[TheAnimalUnit]

I finished up a 3.5 week m drol cycle 9 days ago. I've been running toremifene citrate at 120mg a day for pct during the last 9 days. I'm experiencing testicular atrophy, and I don't feel like the toremifene is doing anything. I'm thinking about throwing in some nolva or clomid. What do you guys think?

[Noles12]

I finished up a 3.5 week m drol cycle 9 days ago. I've been running toremifene citrate at 120mg a day for pct during the last 9 days. I'm experiencing testicular atrophy, and I don't feel like the toremifene is doing anything. I'm thinking about throwing in some nolva or clomid. What do you guys think?

You are trying to avoid shutdown after running an drol only cycle?

You are already shut down. You need to run a proper PCT to restore your levels. Then research before you even consider cycling again because it is blatantly obvious you have done zero research

[TheAnimalUnit]

You are trying to avoid shutdown after running an drol only cycle?

You are already shut down. You need to run a proper PCT to restore your levels. Then research before you even consider cycling again because it is blatantly obvious you have done zero research

HAHA! "its blatantly obvious I've done zero research"... what the hell are you even basing this statement on??? I've ran m drol before and used nolva for pct just fine. I decided to run Toremifene this time because RESEARCH shows that it is less liver toxic and the ratio of androgenicity:estrogenicity is possibly 5x that of Nolvadex. It is also believed that Toremifene may act as an estrogen antagonist in the hypothalamus and pituitary causing a great rise in LH values translating to an increase in natural testosterone production.

This is why I chose Toremifene. However at 9 days in I don't feel like it is doing enough stand alone.

So Noles, I thank you for the great advice man!!!!

[CanYouDigIt]

I was about to waste my time but he is too smart for me to try to convince that he is ignorant.

[Bonaparte]

Noles, he said M Drol (Superdrol), meaning methyl-masteron (not that its any better, nor does it excuse his response).

OP, try bumping it up to 150mg/day. Also, PM me where you got the Torem from. And I would certainly throw in 20mg/day of Nolva to be on the safe side.

[TheAnimalUnit]

Noles, he said M Drol (Superdrol), meaning methyl-masteron (not that its any better, nor does it excuse his response).

OP, try bumping it up to 150mg/day. Also, PM me where you got the Torem from. And I would certainly throw in 20mg/day of Nolva to be on the safe side.

Here's what I'm shooting for. Should this be ok? Tamox starts after week 2 of Toremifene.

Tore 120/120/60/60
Tamox 20/20/20/20/10/10

[TheAnimalUnit]

I was about to waste my time but he is too smart for me to try to convince that he is ignorant.

You're interpreting my response incorrectly. I don't appreciate being responded to from a stance of intellectual superiority. Asking a question doesn't mean I'm dumb or that I've failed to do research. If I believed that I knew everything there is to know about aas and pct, I wouldn't be posting on this board asking for advice.

[Noles12]

You're interpreting my response incorrectly. I don't appreciate being responded to from a stance of intellectual superiority. Asking a question doesn't mean I'm dumb or that I've failed to do research. If I believed that I knew everything there is to know about aas and pct, I wouldn't be posting on this board asking for advice.

Im sorry i missed the m originally but that doesnt change my opinion on asking how not to be shut down after you have already run it and shut yourself down.

But im not getting into this thread today because i dealt with enough of these yesterday and i dont think i can take one right now.

OP check your attitude and you may get more help. No one has called you dumb but your post showed you hadnt done much research. I never said i was intellectually superior to you nor did i show disrespect. Good luck