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    Sustanon or Deca Durabolin

    Hi guys, first post here ... just a simple question ...I'm 22 going 23 years old, 2 years consistent training under my belt ... felt I could use a little aas to boost my growth ... stalked the forums quite a bit now ... need no sources for now ...

    I've read the profiles of both the sust and the deca ... But still couldn't make a decision on which to use ... I'm 1.76m @ 75 kg, less than 15% bodyfats ... my goal is to put on some mass ...

    I need someone with some experience with both the drugs to weigh the pros and cons of each of them ... or rather just a simple opinion on them ...

    oh since you're all here ... What are the companies that manufactures the clomiphene and novaldex ?? are there specific brands which I should choose or just the compound would be sufficient ?

    respects and regards
    Last edited by 369fanclub; 07-21-2010 at 10:51 AM.

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    OK.. First off, I & every other person on here who is experienced is going to tell you that you are still too young to put steroids or aas into your body, this is something you won't want to hear.

    Secondly, your inquiry thread tells me how much research you have done, which in this case, not much...
    Sustanon & Deca are two total different worlds. Sustanon is a blend of a few types of "testosterones" & Deca is a androgenic compound that should always be use w/ "testosterone" & not by itself, it will destroy your natural production of test when used alone.
    Deca is mostly for size & bulking. Sustanon you can go either way depending on your diet & goals. All cycle should have testosterone as a base.. First cycles should only be Testosterone only this way you now how your body reacts to it alone

    I personally am not trying to be a jerk, but its the law of the board. I personally would rather you wait about 3-4 more years & seriously spend time on proper food intake & training to get you big "naturally". You at age 22, have still great high levels of natural testosterone production, to take advantage of.

    This is the best i can help you with so far, & the guys on this board should be able to back me up on my advice. We just don't want you to ruin your body.

    Good Luck & work smarter.

    BOBBY D

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    aight i'll just put it off for another 2 years then ... reach my genetic potential first... thanks ...

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    You can go to the diet section, they got some great guys here that will help u reach ur natural potential, and then in a couple of years when ur ready to cycle ur diet will be top notch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 369fanclub View Post
    aight i'll just put it off for another 2 years then ... reach my genetic potential first... thanks ...
    the 1st person ive seen take it so well!

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    sust OR deca.....

    you mean, one or the other?

    quick info - running deca by itself stunts your pituitary gland and testies..... no more testosterone being generated in your body......

    some very quick research on "deca only cycle" will give you all the info you need, on why deca by itself is a very very bad idea.

    IF you do decide to do ANYTHING - research, research, research... this is your body and your chemical balance you are toying with here. as much as being bigger is nice - the effects/side effects/damage that can be done is very serious if you are not aware of what the drugs do to your body or how they work.

    all the best.

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    ok back again to review... read up more on the profile on deca durabolin and sustanon ... simple summary .... deca got to go with other tests if not = limpdick ... Didn't go into the chemistry, it's too brain-squashing for me ...

    Anyways I feel too small size for my height ... Singaporean here anyways ...

    I workout 6days a week 2times per week per bodypart ... works for me so far ...

    started to dwell on a :

    2700+ calorie diet (I still think this is not enough for me lol)

    more than 170g of protein each day

    low fat, high carbs diet ...

    4 cooked meals each day with 1 bowl of rice and a portion of meat... mostly chicken breast with different cooking methods ... (my mom cooks my meals lol)

    3 normal shakes at 9am 12pm 3pm

    2 casein shakes 6pm 9pm

    let's see if i can get some gains ... looks ok ??? or too much shakes ... Oh and I stopped my daily 2hour brisk walk cardio ... to cut down calorie expenditure further ...


    with regards to steroids, I've been injected twice by a doctor as I was diagnosed with Alopecia Areata ... (The problem where you get patches of hair dropping off your head for no apparent reason...) It sucks and I didn't even know that was steroids till now LOL ... Wondered what natural chemistry was affected ... maybe my testosterone production is stunt ...

    @big_ron

    well... It's not like I really wanna not use gears for training ... I'm actually very disheartened lol ... but what some of the guys here said was logical and I didn't really understand what the 2 is so figured I should do more research and understand the topics fully before jumping around in hot water ... If I was on gears I doubt I'd take it so easily anyways...

    and moreover I have to do the injection myself ... and there's no room for mistakes ... or risk oil embolism or infection or hitting a bloody nerve ... so studying more and sniffing around would be a better way out ...
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    When you get a chance, lay out your diet in the diet section using this template I give you.

    I only list 4 meals, but you obviously need at least 6, each meal no more than 3 hours apart.

    Meal 1:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
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    Meal 2:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
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    Meal 3:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
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    Meal 4:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

    Etc. etc. etc.

    Total: (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

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    Quote Originally Posted by G4R View Post
    When you get a chance, lay out your diet in the diet section using this template I give you.

    I only list 4 meals, but you obviously need at least 6, each meal no more than 3 hours apart.

    Meal 1:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

    Meal 2:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

    Meal 3:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

    Meal 4:
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    Xxxxxx (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)

    Etc. etc. etc.

    Total: (fat xxg, cals xxg, protein xxg, carbs xxg)
    erm saved the template down ... but if I were to include shakes that would be 9 meals already hmm ... the shakes should be considered a meal right ?? cos I do blend bananas sometimes coffee with the powders so they'd include carbs and some fats ...

    another question about this meal segmentation thing ... It's supposed to be used for an approximation of the nutrients I consume ?

    oh and G4R, could you give me a rough estimation of the calories range that I should consume everyday compared to the mini 2700 which I currently have ?

    cos from (http://scoobysworkshop.com/caloriecalculator.htm) I need 3465 calories per day to gain some mass ... I was wondering if that would lead to fat issues

    6 meals would mean 2hours each meal ...hmm . . .
    Last edited by 369fanclub; 07-24-2010 at 01:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 369fanclub View Post
    erm saved the template down ... but if I were to include shakes that would be 9 meals already hmm ... the shakes should be considered a meal right ?? cos I do blend bananas sometimes coffee with the powders so they'd include carbs and some fats ...

    another question about this meal segmentation thing ... It's supposed to be used for an approximation of the nutrients I consume ?
    Well, yes, you would tech count a shake as a meal if you were sub a meal (which is not a good idea).

    What I mean in the template with the macros is this: we want you to count your EXACT macros for every item in each meal for a day, then add those macros up to give us a daily total. It can be time consuming, and a pain in the butt, but if you want to do things the right way, it should be done that way.

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    Here is some info I typed up for another site with help on diets.

    Body Mass Index (BMI) is a number calculated from a person's weight and height. BMI provides a pretty reliable indicator of body fatness for most people and is used to screen for weight categories that may lead to health problems.

    While using calipers is a more accurate way to determine your BF%, a simple way to check your BMI is by using the formula below....

    If you are American (or just don't like using the Metric system) then use this formula:
    BMI = ( Weight in Pounds / ( Height in inches ) x ( Height in inches ) ) x 703

    If you use the Metric system, use this formula:
    BMI = ( Weight in Kilograms / ( Height in Meters ) x ( Height in Meters ) )


    Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) uses the variables of height, weight, age and gender to calculate the Basal Metabolic Rate. This is more accurate than calculating calorie needs based on body weight alone. The only factor it omits is lean body mass and thus the ratio of muscle-to-fat a body has. Remember, leaner bodies need more calories than less leaner ones. Therefore, this equation will be very accurate in all but the very muscular (will underestimate calorie needs) and the very fat (will over-estimate calorie needs).

    Again, if you don't like the Metric system, use this formula:
    Women: BMR = 655 + ( 4.35 x weight in pounds ) + ( 4.7 x height in inches ) - ( 4.7 x age in years )
    Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )

    Metric system formula:
    Women: BMR = 655 + ( 9.6 x weight in kilos ) + ( 1.8 x height in cm ) - ( 4.7 x age in years )
    Men: BMR = 66 + ( 13.7 x weight in kilos ) + ( 5 x height in cm ) - ( 6.8 x age in years )


    Once you have your BMR figured out, you are ready to move on....

    TDEE or, The Harris Benedict Equation is a formula that uses your BMR and then applies an activity factor to determine your total daily energy expenditure (calories). The only factor omitted by the TDEE is lean body mass. Remember, leaner bodies need more calories than less leaner ones. Therefore, this equation will be very accurate in all but the very muscular (will under-estimate calorie needs) and the very fat (will over-estimate calorie needs).

    You will multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor:

    If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
    If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
    If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
    If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
    If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9


    -Calorie needs to gain weight:
    If you want to gain body weight, you need to consume more calories than you burn. One pound of body weight is roughly equivalent to 3500 calories, so eating an extra 500 calories per day will cause you to gain one pound a week.

    -Calorie needs to lose weight:
    There are approximately 3500 calories in a pound of stored body fat. So, if you create a 3500-calorie deficit through diet, exercise or a combination of both, you will lose one pound of body weight. (On average 75% of this is fat, 25% lean tissue) If you create a 7000 calorie deficit you will lose two pounds and so on. The calorie deficit can be achieved either by calorie-restriction alone, or by a combination of fewer calories in (diet) and more calories out (exercise). This combination of diet and exercise is best for lasting weight loss. Indeed, sustained weight loss is difficult or impossible without increased regular exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G4R View Post
    Well, yes, you would tech count a shake as a meal if you were sub a meal (which is not a good idea).

    What I mean in the template with the macros is this: we want you to count your EXACT macros for every item in each meal for a day, then add those macros up to give us a daily total. It can be time consuming, and a pain in the butt, but if you want to do things the right way, it should be done that way.
    Well all is good but I have nothing better to do except eat train sleep rinse and repeat for the next few months ... transitioning from school life to national service ... No school no work ... best time to correct all the crappy bad habits ...

    but about the required calories ? is 2700 too little and 3450 too much ???(got it )
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