Recovery!!!

**Dr Pepper** · 07-25-2010, 06:05 PM

Finished my first cycle now... Into pct! Just wondering besides diet/training/supps/sleep all in check is there anything else you can do to better recover?

Does anyone have any special things they do or take to better do this?

**GymHero** · 07-25-2010, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Finished my first cycle now... Into pct! Just wondering besides diet/training/supps/sleep all in check is there anything else you can do to better recover?

Does anyone have any special things they do or take to better do this?

Whats your pct? Best thing to do while on pct to recover ( or keep your gains ) is to up your calorie intake and make sure you are getting plenty of rest!

**Dr Pepper** · 07-25-2010, 09:24 PM

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Yeh I'm doing all the above... Just starting to feel little less energy and before it gets worse I just wanted to see if people had any other tips...

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-25-2010, 09:34 PM

Agree w/ GH on the calorie intake. As long as your PCT, training, diet and rest are up to par you should be g2g man.

**Nicotine** · 07-25-2010, 10:17 PM

make sure you get proper sleep!!!!!!! keep the diet in check - and when you feel horrible and tired, keep training. it's only temporary!

**marcus300** · 07-26-2010, 12:40 AM

These tips are for the moderate user.

Recovery- One of the areas of focus is the HPTA (Hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular axis), Recovering the HPTA is vital to maintaining gains, typically on a 10-12 week standard AAS cycle will almost certainly cause full suppression/shutdown despite any strategies we might undertake. The natural androgen production needs to be quickly recovered so anabolic hormones are up and running to help maintain the new found muscle. This is why post cycle therapy is vital and the correct protocol's are adhered to. Shorter cycles are becoming increasingly more popular because with these type of cycles there is a significant chance you will have testicular function straight after or very shortly after the cycle as stopped and recovery looks to be alot faster, not in all cases that would depend on compounds used but overall, the shorter the cycle the quicker the recovery.

Once the cycle as stopped we must preserve our gains and if steps haven't been taken during cycle we must now take some steps to reduce estrogen binding in the hypothalamus.You have to look at post cycle estrogen this can be a huge problem for some and this will have a negative impact on recovery of your HPTA just like androgens can and do in this period. The only way to fully recover your HPTA is to completely come off cycle, with this day and age of PCT compounds to recover with, the job will be alot easier. Problems occur if you stayed on cycle for to long or keep taking low suppression drugs to bridge cycles together, all this will have an effect on your HPTA and long term health. Recovery and maintenance of the new found gains are the objects at this stage and stay as healthy as possible, remember suppression and shutdown are linked they both effect your HPTA, so get a decent PCT protocol and recover as fast as possible. The common ancillary drugs what will support the post cycle and the recovery period are clomid,nolvadex ,a-dex and HCG to name a few. Please check out the PCT section and the stickies for protocols and further advice.

Nutrition - is another area which we must focus on to help maintain the new found gains, after a cycle androgen levels are going to be lower than normal even with the above strategies. We have to maximise the anabolic hormones as much as possible while our system is recovering. First we need to calculate the change in the new calories needed for the new tissue gained during the cycle and support the new tissue, a person who under eats to their requirements will be stripped of the muscle mass very quickly.

Overeating has been shown in numerous studies to maximise these factors. Over maintenance calories are needed to promote the anabolic edge, dietary fat has an influence on androgen secretion, monounsaturated and saturated fat raises testosterone levels but polyunsaturated fat does not so a healthy diet containing O'3 and O'6 will help in this period. Eat clean and feed the new tissue with abundance of calories but always have in mind of muscle building foods and not the sugar rich alternatives we can easily lean to in this period. As testosterone returns to normal and recovery is nearly there, eating over the calories can be lowered to maintenance of the new found muscle what's been gained during the cycle. Never start dieting in the recovery stage it will strip you of your hard earned tissue.

Training - If you have been training intensely during the on period you can help to maintain the new found gains with a slight alteration in the way your training. In some cases further gains have been seen in the recovery part of cycling, this is normally with short cycles and very intense training. If you implement more rest days and make sure your C.N.S gets fully recovered, further gains can be seen. Keep the training sessions down to around 30 mins and incorporate longer rest days in-between. Long workouts lower testosterone to cortisol ratio, so don't go for long workouts no matter how strong or fit you may feel, short and fast will help with recovery without further stress on your system.

Still concentrate on the basic heavy movements this and still focus on HIT type of training, also take more attention on the eccentric part of the lift because this causes most of the muscle fibre damage, after warm up do about 2 sets per bodypart and dropset them, which should consist of eccentric reps start with maximum followed by 90% Max, then 80%max, making sure you take a good 5-6 seconds for the eccentric portion of the reps on all dropsets. There are many other ways of training to help recovery but this method does have great benefits by making the workout shorter and the muscle being hit in a different way. Further gains can be achieved if careful planning is done of your training sessions.

Supplements- Its hard to advice what supplements will help and work for you in the recovery and maintenance period. Clearly a quality protein powder,creatine, test booster's,BCAA's, glutamine and vital vits and supps in the off period does help drastically and all aid recovery, past experience will help to pick which other supps may help and agree with your body.

The more advance you become the more advanced procedure need to be carried out, this is just a basic methods and tips on maintaining post cycle for the moderate user.

**Nicotine** · 07-26-2010, 12:45 AM

wicked wicked post...... i copied that to a text.

**Dr Pepper** · 07-26-2010, 03:00 AM

Thanks Marcus, good info. Il b in contact soon

**big_ron** · 07-26-2010, 04:31 AM

starting b12 or b complex injections may help with the energy factor

**sprinter911** · 07-26-2010, 05:21 AM

I defer to the post by Marcus. Outstanding!

**BJJ** · 07-26-2010, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Finished my first cycle now... Into pct! Just wondering besides diet/training/supps/sleep all in check is there anything else you can do to better recover?

Does anyone have any special things they do or take to better do this?

Stack somatropin ASAP.

**alpenguy** · 07-26-2010, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by big_ron

starting b12 or b complex injections may help with the energy factor

I have heard this from a couple people now as to use this in PCT. Suggested also the 5 hr energy (mostly B12)

**Dr Pepper** · 07-26-2010, 05:12 PM

Does anyone know if b12 tablets are ok instead of injections?

BJJ why stack somatropin now?

**Dr Pepper** · 07-26-2010, 10:32 PM

Bump to the top! Anyone?

**Nicotine** · 07-26-2010, 11:20 PM

b12 orally, you absorb like %5 or so?

injectable - you absorb something like 90%

im using it to thin out my HRT injections......

**Dr Pepper** · 07-26-2010, 11:40 PM

I just cbfd injecting while I'm off cycle...

BJJ??

**cherrydrpepper** · 07-26-2010, 11:46 PM

creatine and b12 injects

my best friends during pct..

**BJJ** · 07-27-2010, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Does anyone know if b12 tablets are ok instead of injections?

BJJ why stack somatropin now?

It will help you with your PCT to retain your LBM.

**Dr Pepper** · 07-27-2010, 05:11 PM

Thanks BJJ il look into that.

As for b12 injections, iv read doses at 1000mg ED, EOD or once a week work... Correct?

It's the same as injecting aas? IM?

And any particular spots to pin for better results?

**Damienm05** · 07-27-2010, 06:03 PM

I find a good pre-workout supp like jack3d, black powder or xplode helps with the lethargy during PCT. A lot of EFAs but more importantly monounsaturated fats! they increase natty test and spare protein (peanuts, macadamia nuts/oil, evoo, etc). Also, creatine monohydrate is a great supp for the PWO shake. I know u said supps were in check but figured i'd throw it out there.

**Dr Pepper** · 07-27-2010, 08:21 PM

^^^ thanks I will actually look into the pre workout supps a bit more...

But I'm lacking energy the whole day aswel. Anyone got any info on my above post about b12 doses??

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-27-2010, 09:37 PM

70mg PW worked well.

**Dr Pepper** · 07-27-2010, 09:44 PM

Thanks HP. But don't the amps come in 1000mg/ml? I thought that's what heard...

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-27-2010, 10:08 PM

My source was a bit different. And this was a long time ago so perhaps times have changed. Hopefully others will chime in on the subject in regards to the amps.