I am new here, and I have questions

[arushbhai]

age = 23
height = 5 7
weight =150lbs
body fat%
years training = 1
Since ima beginner, which cycle should i take? i heard about anabol + stanozolol 7 week cycle which looks decent for beginners. Should i order that cycle and see how much gains i get or should i go for something you guys suggest. and also i heard about water retention steroids , i dont want to fill my body with water that ill loose once my cycle finishes. thanks

[HawaiianPride.]

None. You have plenty of room to put some meat on your bones naturally. Head to the nutrition section, post your diet and let people critique it.

Welcome to the boards.

[arushbhai]

None. You have plenty of room to put some meat on your bones naturally. Head to the nutrition section, post your diet and let people critique it.

Welcome to the boards.

no but i dont want to, it takes years, plus i have bad genetics ima small guy with a small frame. if steroids can help me give a headstart than why not

[Dr Pepper]

Steriods arn't a wonder drug! There not going to work if all the other things arn't figured out first! So take the advice and head over to the diet forum...

Welcome

[spoken_truth]

ya but you know you could mess yourself up for life if you jump into to early when you could still grow naturally, thats why everyone is probably gonna recommend to train naturally for a while longer and get your diet in check imo

[arushbhai]

i think 1 cycle of anabol and stanozolol would put me in a good routine and give me jump start. rightnow im extremely skinny fat. have no muscles at all and if i just eat proper food and workout, it would probably take me 2-3 years to reach my goal, i dont want to start taking cycles after cycles. i just want to take 1 cycle so i can actually start.

[HawaiianPride.]

no but i dont want to, it takes years, plus i have bad genetics ima small guy with a small frame. if steroids can help me give a headstart than why not

Your lack of diet will show in your cycle. What little gains you make will diminish once the ester has left your body, simply because your not putting enough food in your body to hold onto whatever muscle you pack on.

No one here is going to give you cycle advise. So your best bet is to address your diet, and gain a little more then 1 years experience in the gym. There are plenty of people here willing to help you out, including myself. If not, then your simply wasting your time here.

[wiggles]

It might put you in a good routine, but if you get off the gear are you gonna stay on that good routine? The only way to see if you are dedicated enough to use gear is to workout naturally, Im 21 5 8 and 200lbs at 16% bodyfat gear free(currently cutting), I have bad genetics and I just bust my ass. Might I cycle in the future, maybe but being healthy and jacked is a lifestyle not some one stop shop. Head over to the diet section and read up and then read up on workouts and meal planning and then read more. Apply the knowledge you have learned and you will be happier in the end. Most people don't look fit for a reason, and that reason is that is takes sacrifices.

[Nicotine]

first thing first:

what do you eat in a given day.

type it out for us, starting from the minute you get up, till the minute you go to bed.

[zyzz]

none. You have plenty of room to put some meat on your bones naturally. Head to the nutrition section, post your diet and let people critique it.

Welcome to the boards.

this

[Big]

i think 1 cycle of anabol and stanozolol would put me in a good routine and give me jump start. rightnow im extremely skinny fat. have no muscles at all and if i just eat proper food and workout, it would probably take me 2-3 years to reach my goal, i dont want to start taking cycles after cycles. i just want to take 1 cycle so i can actually start.

well you picked an awful cycle

[arushbhai]

ok Here is my routine;
9:30 am Protien shake, 1 egg
Breakfast: 2 pancakes, protien shake, 2 eggs, flavoured yogurt
12pm Snacks: apple, salad, cookies
lunch: about 1.5lbs of chicken, vegetables
About 4pm: mashed potatoes, cookies, white bread with mayo or peanut butter on it.
Pre workout: banana protien shake with 1 banana, almonds.
Post workout: protien shake
Dinner: chicken or beef, vegetables
Before bed: 1 glass of milk, and slow digesting carbs such as brown bread with peanut butter or mayo on it.

So guys this is my routine, ive seen decent results, gain in power and size. But im not growing further. I try to stick with this routine, but im still small. i know my lifestyle is healthy and my workouts are intense. But I want to take myself to a next level. Im still the shortest and smallest guy. I dont wonna wait for 1 or 2 years to get huge, i wonna be huge now, I have broad knowledge about diet and workout, infact people watch me workout. but i cant just waste my time working out and getting little gains. thats why i was thinking since im ready, I should take 1 cycle of anabol + stanozolol or something you guys suggest

[arushbhai]

well you picked an awful cycle

i seriously need help. i hope you guys understand, im losing my confidence. im stil the smallest guy in the gym. i know if i take steroids , ill be able to back it up with a good diet and an intense workout, i just need help about which cycle i should take.

[zyzz]

i seriously need help. i hope you guys understand, im losing my confidence. im stil the smallest guy in the gym. i know if i take steroids, ill be able to back it up with a good diet and an intense workout, i just need help about which cycle i should take.

Your not ready for a cycle but with that said if you ar set on doing it you should do it right. Example

Test e or c :500mg/week for 10-12 weeks

PCT:
Clomid-100/50/50/50
Nolva-40/20/20/20

[arushbhai]

Your not ready for a cycle but with that said if you ar set on doing it you should do it right. Example

Test e or c :500mg/week for 10-12 weeks

PCT:
Clomid-100/50/50/50
Nolva-40/20/20/20

bro give me more details since im a beginner and i really dont understand all these terms, if you can you can always send me a private message if you think its against the rules of this forum. Im confident that im ready, but what makes you think im not ready? i think my diet is good, my workouts are proper with good techniques, ive been gaining mass but u know its a slow process and i just want to make it little faster so i get more confidence. tell me what should i take Edited and warned. PM me if you can, i will highly appreciate it , i know you have knowledge about this stuff . thanks

[zyzz]

bro give me more details since im a beginner and i really dont understand all these terms, if you can you can always send me a private message if you think its against the rules of this forum. Im confident that im ready, but what makes you think im not ready? i think my diet is good, my workouts are proper with good techniques, ive been gaining mass but u know its a slow process and i just want to make it little faster so i get more confidence. tell me what should i take Edited and warned. PM me if you can, i will highly appreciate it , i know you have knowledge about this stuff . thanks

Bro if you don't understand those terms you are not ready. Go read the newbie thread. It will help you out.

[Big]

you need to correct your diet, it's awful, and likely need to correct your training. you didn't get in your current condition overnight, and it won't be a fast process to get into shape.
head to the diet section and list your entire diet for critique, then head to the workout section and do the same.

[Big]

bro give me more details since im a beginner and i really dont understand all these terms, if you can you can always send me a private message if you think its against the rules of this forum. Im confident that im ready, but what makes you think im not ready? i think my diet is good, my workouts are proper with good techniques, ive been gaining mass but u know its a slow process and i just want to make it little faster so i get more confidence. tell me what should i take Edited and warned. PM me if you can, i will highly appreciate it , i know you have knowledge about this stuff . thanks

you are DEFINITELY not ready.
you are too young and have built no natural base whatsoever. stop being lazy and looking for a shortcut.

[arushbhai]

Bro if you don't understand those terms you are not ready. Go read the newbie thread. It will help you out.

yeah man you are right, i just dont know these terms, but i will be more than happy to learn it from you, i hope you help me. i will appreciate it, i am very confident about my diet and workout routine. anyways where is the newbie thread ill go post there
oh btw i forgot to tell you guys, its not like im going to take steroids today. i am thinking about taking steroids after 6 or 7 months and in the meantime ill learn about them from you guys.

[zyzz]

yeah man you are right, i just dont know these terms, but i will be more than happy to learn it from you, i hope you help me. i will appreciate it, i am very confident about my diet and workout routine. anyways where is the newbie thread ill go post there
oh btw i forgot to tell you guys, its not like im going to take steroids today. i am thinking about taking steroids after 6 or 7 months and in the meantime ill learn about them from you guys.

Yeah man I did the same thing you are doing I came to this forum 3 years ago and had a shitty natural base and was too young. I am glad I listen to the vets and waited 3 years to put on a solid base. I'm telling you if you fixed your diet and fix your workout program ( I am a fan of MAX-OT if you are natural) you can get great gains without gear and then when you have peaked in a couple of years you can take gear and it will be easier to keep your gains.

[HawaiianPride.]

ok Here is my routine;
9:30 am Protien shake, 1 egg Shake is fine
Breakfast: 2 pancakes, protien shake, 2 eggs, flavoured yogurt Cut out the pancakes and protein shake, replace with Oats and throw more eggs in there. Perhaps 5-6 egg whites and a couple whole eggs. The yogurt can stay.
12pm Snacks: apple, salad, cookies Cut out the cookies, replace with a solid meal if you can. Tuna w/ rice, apple, salad for example.
lunch: about 1.5lbs of chicken, vegetables Looks good, although I'd find a real source of carbs and make this a complete meal.
About 4pm: mashed potatoes, cookies, white bread with mayo or peanut butter on it. Again, cut out your snake intake. And I see hardly any protein here. Perhaps lean ground beef or whole grain pasta. If you want bread stick with something like ezekiel.
Pre workout: banana protien shake with 1 banana, almonds. With this shake, I'd blend in some grinded oats and perhaps throw some berries in there.
Post workout: protien shake I'd move the banana's from pre WO to right here. Again, I'd blend in some oats with the shake. Then 45-60 minute from this PWO meal, slam down another meal. You can come up with something.
Dinner: chicken or beef, vegetables Looks good although I see no carbs or fats. Fix that!
Before bed: 1 glass of milk, and slow digesting carbs such as brown bread with peanut butter or mayo on it. This looks alright. Do some cottage cheese to compliment the fats from your PB. Or invest in a Casein shake if you can't stomach it.

So guys this is my routine, ive seen decent results, gain in power and size. But im not growing further. I try to stick with this routine, but im still small. i know my lifestyle is healthy and my workouts are intense. But I want to take myself to a next level. Im still the shortest and smallest guy. I dont wonna wait for 1 or 2 years to get huge, i wonna be huge now, I have broad knowledge about diet and workout, infact people watch me workout. but i cant just waste my time working out and getting little gains. thats why i was thinking since im ready, I should take 1 cycle of anabol + stanozolol or something you guys suggest

There's a few quick ideas I came up with in the bold. It's nothing special but it's a small start. There is something you have to understand about bodybuilding. This whole process of transforming the human anatomy doesn't happen overnight. It doesn't happen in a week, or a month, or even years for some people. When I think of bodybuilding, I think of patience, desire, dedication, and determination. Patience is the biggest virtue in this sport. If you lack patience, you won't get very far. Simple as that. You need to get out of the "I want it now" era and face reality. There is no Steroid that will transform the way you look in the time frame you desire. You said you have a broad knowledge about diet and training. I don't mean to be a prick, but if you did, you'd realize what were all trying to tell you here, and you sure as hell wouldn't be stuck at 150lbs, making a thread on which Steroids you think we should tell you to do. Shit if we could all have our dream bodies in a matter of months, there would be no more obese people in the world, now that's a fact, ha.

i seriously need help. i hope you guys understand, im losing my confidence. im stil the smallest guy in the gym. i know if i take steroids, ill be able to back it up with a good diet and an intense workout, i just need help about which cycle i should take.

Worry about yourself, don't worry about how big everyone else is in the gym. Your main priority should be you and only you. Having concerns for others when your concerns should be with yourself will only slow you down.

[arushbhai]

Yeah man I did the same thing you are doing I came to this forum 3 years ago and had a shitty natural base and was too young. I am glad I listen to the vets and waited 3 years to put on a solid base. I'm telling you if you fixed your diet and fix your workout program ( I am a fan of MAX-OT if you are natural) you can get great gains without gear and then when you have peaked in a couple of years you can take gear and it will be easier to keep your gains.

bro i dont know how old you are but im 23 years old i think my growth has stopped, im 5 7 and i know i wont grow any longer, so im not worried about my growth plates though, and yes im feeling like a noob rightnow because other people have soo much information but people are telling me to look after my diet, i know my diet is good, different people adapt to different diets, im not white or black, Im brown and we have a different food, the diet i just posted doesnt reflect my everydays diet, sometimes i take more protiens, sometimes i take less, but im adapted to it and it works fine with my body, but i want to know something else.

[HawaiianPride.]

bro i dont know how old you are but im 23 years old i think my growth has stopped, im 5 7 and i know i wont grow any longer, so im not worried about my growth plates though, and yes im feeling like a noob rightnow because other people have soo much information but people are telling me to look after my diet, i know my diet is good, different people adapt to different diets, im not white or black, Im brown and we have a different food, the diet i just posted doesnt reflect my everydays diet, sometimes i take more protiens, sometimes i take less, but im adapted to it and it works fine with my body, but i want to know something else.

Your GP is probably done growing, sure. That's not an indication that you can't put on any more muscle naturally though. Straight up, if your diet was "good", then we wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion. Your diet is only good enough to maintain a 150lb frame. If you want to throw on another 40lbs, then you must be expected to eat like a 190lb man.

[Big]

Your GP is probably done growing, sure. That's not an indication that you can't put on any more muscle naturally though. Straight up, if your diet was "good", then we wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion. Your diet is only good enough to maintain a 150lb frame. If you want to throw on another 40lbs, then you must be expected to eat like a 190lb man.

Exactly

[gixxerboy1]

bro i dont know how old you are but im 23 years old i think my growth has stopped, im 5 7 and i know i wont grow any longer, so im not worried about my growth plates though, and yes im feeling like a noob rightnow because other people have soo much information but people are telling me to look after my diet, i know my diet is good, different people adapt to different diets, im not white or black, Im brown and we have a different food, the diet i just posted doesnt reflect my everydays diet, sometimes i take more protiens, sometimes i take less, but im adapted to it and it works fine with my body, but i want to know something else.

your diet is horrible. And apparently its not working for you. Your not happy with your growth and your own word are your skinny fat. So you proved yourself your diet sucks.

If your diet sucks steriods will do very little. And once you stop the steriods you will loose anything you may gain

[gixxerboy1]

Your GP is probably done growing, sure. That's not an indication that you can't put on any more muscle naturally though. Straight up, if your diet was "good", then we wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion. Your diet is only good enough to maintain a 150lb frame. If you want to throw on another 40lbs, then you must be expected to eat like a 190lb man.

x2..