Liver support ?

[jojomcgo]

Ok now i have read over and over that taking milk thisle ,liv 52. ect when on AAS, my question is does any one really think that a over the counter liver sup.. is really going to help them from a Liver toxic dbol or other oral aas?
I just don't see it. If some one has some kind of scientific revelation that they would like to share i would be interested in reading it.

[Times Roman]

I use milk thistle and NAC
here is my lab results from a few days ago, so you tell me:

ALT 23 - result
<36- U/L - acceptable

my last cycle included test, adrol and var

[HawaiianPride.]

Ok now i have read over and over that taking milk thisle ,liv 52. ect when on AAS, my question is does any one really think that a over the counter liver sup.. is really going to help them from a Liver toxic dbol or other oral aas?
I just don't see it. If some one has some kind of scientific revelation that they would like to share i would be interested in reading it.

Yes. Been doing it for years, and all my blood work and lipid profiles come back normal. That should give you an idea of how well they work.

[Atomini]

Guess what? There is no synthetic compound used to treat the liver.

Every single liver health product out there from Liv 52 to Essential Forte N is just a combination of natural vitamins and herbs, despite these products in SOME countries classified as a pharmaceutical.

With that being said, Liv 52 has been shown in many clinical studies (i'm in too much of a rush right now to find them, maybe later) to protect the liver from damage by alcohol or other toxins. It's used in clinical and medical settings to treat people with liver problems. Other products like Liver Stabil or Essential Forte N have all been just as successful.

[bigpapabuff]

I also like using UDCA, very good support and can help lower cholesterol

[Big]

Ok now i have read over and over that taking milk thisle ,liv 52. ect when on AAS, my question is does any one really think that a over the counter liver sup.. is really going to help them from a Liver toxic dbol or other oral aas?
I just don't see it. If some one has some kind of scientific revelation that they would like to share i would be interested in reading it.

it works, I don't care to look up the documentation right now

[jojomcgo]

Guess what? There is no synthetic compound used to treat the liver.

Every single liver health product out there from Liv 52 to Essential Forte N is just a combination of natural vitamins and herbs, despite these products in SOME countries classified as a pharmaceutical.

With that being said, Liv 52 has been shown in many clinical studies (i'm in too much of a rush right now to find them, maybe later) to protect the liver from damage by alcohol or other toxins. It's used in clinical and medical settings to treat people with liver problems. Other products like Liver Stabil or Essential Forte N have all been just as successful.

interesting.

[jojomcgo]

[QUOTE=Big;5294169]it works, I don't care to look up the documentation right now}

yea ok

[Big]

yea ok

seriously?
choose your response carefully...

[TKO Performance]

So why is Big a liar and Atomini "intersting" for giving you the same information? Granted Atomini went into more detail, but look at Big's number of posts, etc. Maybe don't piss off the guy who can throw you off these forums...

[Big]

So why is Big a liar and Atomini "intersting" for giving you the same information? Granted Atomini went into more detail, but look at Big's number of posts, etc. Maybe don't piss off the guy who can throw you off these forums...

thank you. I actually avoided including the information Atomini included so as not to be redundant. he knows his stuff and I was just tossing in another vote. I can't help but see irony when the guy wanting to run a dbol/winny cycle 2 weeks ago now chooses to challenge me.

[Times Roman]

thank you. I actually avoided including the information Atomini included so as not to be redundant. he knows his stuff and I was just tossing in another vote. I can't help but see irony when the guy wanting to run a dbol/winny cycle 2 weeks ago now chooses to challenge me.

never mess with a guy that has cannons for arms and a baby face only a mother can love.... plus Big has been on a roll lately!!

[boxin23]

[QUOTE=jojomcgo;5294252]

it works, I don't care to look up the documentation right now}

yea ok

You are a fn idiot. WOW is all i have to say. Milk thistle has been used for thousands of years.

My CPA has hepatitis C and has used milk thistle since 1970. Her doc is absolutely amazed on her virus count results every time she goes in to have her blood work done. He says it is truly amazing results for a compound that is not synthetic at nature.

I think people need to read and research before they make useless and retarded comments like calling someone a liar....WOW!!!!

[lovbyts]

I had Hep B 1990 I have used Milk thistle for years and added Liv52 about a year ago. So far so good with the liver test ever year.

[underworldmagic]

If your after research, here is a link to some research papers for Liv.52

http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/re...aper/liv52.htm

[tballz]

I also like using UDCA, very good support and can help lower cholesterol

UDCA is very effective. You don't need to take that much either. And it does lower the cholesterol.

[jojomcgo]

[QUOTE=boxin23;5294613]

You are a fn idiot. WOW is all i have to say. Milk thistle has been used for thousands of years.

My CPA has hepatitis C and has used milk thistle since 1970. Her doc is absolutely amazed on her virus count results every time she goes in to have her blood work done. He says it is truly amazing results for a compound that is not synthetic at nature.

I think people need to read and research before they make useless and retarded comments like calling someone a liar....WOW!!!!

lol wow first off i don't care what you think you know,second im sorry i didn't know you had some kind of man crush, 3rd it was a question of facts not he said she said i was asking some one to point me in to the form of documentation not i did this and got my blood tested so it must work so my statement to the guy was more of a joke then any thing i deal in facts! and the fact is that MILKTHISLE is a combo of diffrent herbs nothing more!!That being said asians have been doing this with diffrent herbs for thousands of years some of the stuff has been known to cure cancer so i never said it didn't work i said i was a sceptic so you homo can go suck your mans juice!

[jojomcgo]

thank you. I actually avoided including the information Atomini included so as not to be redundant. he knows his stuff and I was just tossing in another vote. I can't help but see irony when the guy wanting to run a dbol/winny cycle 2 weeks ago now chooses to challenge me.

Im sure that was all of what i asked so thats fine and I NEVER said i know it all thats why i joined not for smart ass remarks and im sure if you want to kick me off you can but i get as i give and it was not ment like that!
This attitude of i know it all so just take my word for it means nothing to me i am an american i fought for this county, i lost friends to this country and till the day i die will say what is on my mind you want to ban me be my guess.

[jojomcgo]

If your after research, here is a link to some research papers for Liv.52

http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/re...aper/liv52.htm

yes this is what i wanted thnx. i will be reading.

[TKO Performance]

Wow, we have derailed.

Look, we're all here for information, but per the forum rules we need to respect each other. This goes for everyone. It benefits no one when a thread degenerates into bickering and name calling. There's a way to critique and ask for backup without flying off the handle and making accusations or calling people names. Let's try to keep it professional.

[jojomcgo]

So why is Big a liar and Atomini "intersting" for giving you the same information? Granted Atomini went into more detail, but look at Big's number of posts, etc. Maybe don't piss off the guy who can throw you off these forums...

ARE YOU FOR REAL???? he didn't give me any information?? did you even read any thing and what is it with the people on here that are so sensitive go take some motrin drink some cranberry juice you'll be ok.

[TKO Performance]

Oh I'm for real. The information that Big gave you is that he's one of the old guard here and he knows from first hand experience. What I was saying is that as a newbie to the forums (not judging, I'm new here too) you aren't going to have an easy time getting the information you want when you insult the people most apt to give you good information.

[jojomcgo]

Oh I'm for real. The information that Big gave you is that he's one of the old guard here and he knows from first hand experience. What I was saying is that as a newbie to the forums (not judging, I'm new here too) you aren't going to have an easy time getting the information you want when you insult the people most apt to give you good information.

Ok well that's fine i want to learn that is why i ask questions.I think maybe instead of worry about what some one else think's you should maybe read what your writting , as you just told me that he said the same thing when what i was told was he was to busy to point me to some kind of documentation.There for told me nothing. As far as the respect thing i am all for it i give what i get,and as for the calling him a liar it was not ment to be taken in such a serious manner i thought people would know that it was in a joking manner???

[Big]

I hoped you would recognize that I answer from experience, I thought letting you know it worked might satisfy you to some degree. I responded to your post from my phone while sitting in the doctor's office waiting room, sorry I didn't include references. My answer was correct even though it was not to your satisfaction, I hardly see where my response merited being called a liar. No, I won't ban you, I'll just refrain from advising you in the future.

[jojomcgo]

I hoped you would recognize that I answer from experience, I thought letting you know it worked might satisfy you to some degree. I responded to your post from my phone while sitting in the doctor's office waiting room, sorry I didn't include references. My answer was correct even though it was not to your satisfaction, I hardly see where my response merited being called a liar. No, I won't ban you, I'll just refrain from advising you in the future.

lol it was more of show me what you where talking about and where it was coming from.. not as being a acutal liar that is my fault. as far as recognizing that you answer from experience maybe you do but how am i to know that?? thats why i ask for something more then just my word for it.As for not wanting to advise me in the future i agree i should have chosen my words more careful but like i said it was not ment in that context i simply wanted some where i could investage my self.

[boxin23]

[QUOTE=jojomcgo;5296173]

lol wow first off i don't care what you think you know,second im sorry i didn't know you had some kind of man crush, 3rd it was a question of facts not he said she said i was asking some one to point me in to the form of documentation not i did this and got my blood tested so it must work so my statement to the guy was more of a joke then any thing i deal in facts! and the fact is that MILKTHISLE is a combo of diffrent herbs nothing more!!That being said asians have been doing this with diffrent herbs for thousands of years some of the stuff has been known to cure cancer so i never said it didn't work i said i was a sceptic so you homo can go suck your mans juice!

OK.....it is not what i THINK I KNOW.....there is a ton of research to back it up as you have now been given. And so you know many people go from educational resources as well as EXPERIENCE....MR. DBOL / WINNY CYCLE...WTF....

FACT is that my CPA's virus count is lower due to milk thistle....i was just trying to give you some real life experience i have ran into....not something i read in a book or on line somewhere

And by the way im not Kissing anyones ass here.....i saw your reply and no matter how you try to justify JOKING AS YOU CALLED IT...you were disrespectful .....i still can't figure out why you called him a liar?? There were so many other things you could have said.....like give me more info!

Oh and don't pull the fukin vet card out either.....that is a bullshit cover up for your ill behavior......i have lost a brother and a grandfather and my dad who is a korean war and vietnam war medic of 26 years would kick your ass for bringing out the vet card and being such an ass in public.....it is not the way a PROUD vet would act.....

Im not kissing ass, i just see someone acting like an ass and i call it like i see it.

You will NEVER get help on this forum with your attitude....you should show respect to those who are trying to help you...

Best of luck to ...

[jojomcgo]

[QUOTE=boxin23;5296631]

OK.....it is not what i THINK I KNOW.....there is a ton of research to back it up as you have now been given. And so you know many people go from educational resources as well as EXPERIENCE....MR. DBOL / WINNY CYCLE...WTF....

FACT is that my CPA's virus count is lower due to milk thistle....i was just trying to give you some real life experience i have ran into....not something i read in a book or on line somewhere

And by the way im not Kissing anyones ass here.....i saw your reply and no matter how you try to justify JOKING AS YOU CALLED IT...you were disrespectful .....i still can't figure out why you called him a liar?? There were so many other things you could have said.....like give me more info!

Oh and don't pull the fukin vet card out either.....that is a bullshit cover up for your ill behavior......i have lost a brother and a grandfather and my dad who is a korean war and vietnam war medic of 26 years would kick your ass for bringing out the vet card and being such an ass in public.....it is not the way a PROUD vet would act.....

Im not kissing ass, i just see someone acting like an ass and i call it like i see it.

You will NEVER get help on this forum with your attitude....you should show respect to those who are trying to help you...

Best of luck to ...

wow. im going to say this then im done with ya! i am a vet thats a fact and a testimony to the fact i will say what i like as i feel I have earned that RIGHTas far as the hole respect thing you where the one that was calling me ****ing stupid? or some thing to that nature... so that's why you got the response you got,your the one that got offended from some thing that was not even said to you!! I am sure the man that i was talking to does not need your help in defending him((airgo the hole man crush that is out there in the open now))so while yes maybe i was acting as a ass i was not alone , and as far as the whole dbol/winny question lets go back at my post there buddy i ask questions and never at any time claim to know everything about anything as i stated above in the other post THATS WHY I am a memeber here so that i may learn.... why would i care about what you say you think you know?? even if any thing you say you know from personal exp.. would not always be the same for my self as i am a diffrent person ,, that being said PUKKER UP BUTTER CUP,CAUSE YOU CAN STILL kiss MY ASS feel free to respond as i will not be reading

[underworldmagic]

yes this is what i wanted thnx. i will be reading.

No problem bro.

[TTexas]

I was told about a product actually called "cycle support" today. I looked at it briefly on google but don't have any info to pass on as of yet.

[TKO Performance]

Yeah, still no sarcasm font, so when you write something it is going to come across as genuine. When people of integrity get called a liar that's a serious personal affront. Personally if someone called me a liar to my face without serious cause and without being what I knew was sarcastic; we'd be throwing hands. It wouldn't matter if the guy was bigger, etc. That's a serious affront, and the worst I'm looking at is having my ass kicked for defending my honor. I've had my ass kicked before, so no big deal. But I promise you that guy would think twice about calling anyone a liar in the future.

You seem to want everyone to lighten up, so maybe take your own advice. I'd definitely be a bit more sensitive when you word things in the future, and I'm sure others will be more sensitive in their responses.

Oh, and respect has to be earned. When you're new to something you should respect the veterans, as it's their advice you seek. You are also entering their world, so you might want to mind your Ps and Qs. As a private would you have called a sergeant a liar?

[ottomaddox]

If I called you a liar to your face, you would try to beat me up?, what if I was a girl, would you kick my ass then tough guy? Words are no reason for assulting someone. The worst you could be looking at would be jail, how's that sound???? Getting into a fight over words is just immaturity rearing its ugly head. Grow up.

Yeah, still no sarcasm font, so when you write something it is going to come across as genuine. When people of integrity get called a liar that's a serious personal affront. Personally if someone called me a liar to my face without serious cause and without being what I knew was sarcastic; we'd be throwing hands. It wouldn't matter if the guy was bigger, etc. That's a serious affront, and the worst I'm looking at is having my ass kicked for defending my honor. I've had my ass kicked before, so no big deal. But I promise you that guy would think twice about calling anyone a liar in the future.

You seem to want everyone to lighten up, so maybe take your own advice. I'd definitely be a bit more sensitive when you word things in the future, and I'm sure others will be more sensitive in their responses.

Oh, and respect has to be earned. When you're new to something you should respect the veterans, as it's their advice you seek. You are also entering their world, so you might want to mind your Ps and Qs. As a private would you have called a sergeant a liar?

[cherrydrpepper]

Even though this thread turned to ass I am really curious about any articles showing that the liver care products work (liv 52, milk thistle, udca)

[underworldmagic]

Even though this thread turned to ass I am really curious about any articles showing that the liver care products work (liv 52, milk thistle, udca)

Here are loads from the official Himalaya website for Liv.52

http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/re...aper/liv52.htm

[bigboomer]

I've only ever used luv 52 during orals..My liver values in and bloodwork were gtg..

[Bonaparte]

Even though this thread turned to ass I am really curious about any articles showing that the liver care products work (liv 52, milk thistle, udca)

I concur. Someone (who isn't a douche, and who knows how to politely ask for input) should try asking this question again so that we can build an informative thread.

[TKO Performance]

If I called you a liar to your face, you would try to beat me up?, what if I was a girl, would you kick my ass then tough guy? Words are no reason for assulting someone. The worst you could be looking at would be jail, how's that sound???? Getting into a fight over words is just immaturity rearing its ugly head. Grow up.

Yeah, cause I'm immature. Obviously that was overly simplified to make a point. The point being that people of integrity take it seriously when you attempt to impugn their integrity. No tactician opens a conflict by dropping an atomic bomb; it leaves you zero room for escalation. I would start with diplomacy and work my way up.

For the record I've never hit a woman, nor would I ever for any reason. That's part of the whole integrity thing. Additionally I don't remember ever starting a fight in my entire life, but I've finished plenty.