Fareston?

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08-03-2010, 10:27 PM
TTFU

Fareston?

I am currently planning my second cycle.

My first was a 13 week test only cycle. 75mg prop EOD and 250mg enanth 1x/wk. This averaged out to be 512.5mg test/wk.

For my second cycle I plan on running test only again. I MAY use an oral the first or last 4-6 weeks. Since I will be front loading and ending on prop I don't really NEED an oral. This is my line up.

Weeks 1-3:
150mg prop EOD
300mg enanth 2x/wk
0.25-0.5mg arimidex EOD

Weeks 4-12:
300mg enanth 2x/wk
250iu HCG 2x/wk
0.5mg arimidex EOD
10mg Nolva ED

Weeks 13-14:
150mg prop EOD
(Letting esters clear from enanth)
250iu HCG 2x/wk
0.5mg arimidex EOD
10mg Nolva ED

Start PCT 18 days after last enanth pin AND 3 days after last prop pin.

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An oral is optional, so I did not include it. I don't want to use an oral twice on the cycle so I will pick to start OR end on it. Probably end. Might end on some winny or tbol.

As far as PCT goes, this is the PCT I used for my first cycle.

Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
and
Clomid @ 75/50/50/25

I ended PCT about 2-3 weeks ago. Apparently I am VERY gyno prone, as I have been battling gyno symptoms since a few weeks after I started HCG on my last cycle. I finally developed a lump 3-4 days ago.. I am currently on Letro to clear that up. Hopefully it works..

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Anyways, after doing research I am considering using Toremifene (Fareston).

However, I am getting mixed results on it effectiveness for PCT. From what I can tell, it is just as good, or better, than Letro for battling gyno.

I have read that Fareston is actually counterproductive due lowered LH/FSH?

Can anyone comment on this?

Would Fareston and Clomid be a better PCT than Nolva and Clomid? (Don't tell em to research, because I have. Recent personal experiences beat old forum posts years old.)
08-03-2010, 11:35 PM
peachfuzz

Fareston and clomid and Nolva and clomid are both great choices. I would not have jumped on Letro in PCT but thats just me. Personally I would have just hopped back on the SERMs, particularly the Nolva.
08-04-2010, 09:22 AM
TTFU

I didn't jump on Letro in PCT.

I ran Nolva and Clomid ONLY for PCT. When I developed the lump (3 weeks AFTER PCT ended), I jumped on letro.
08-04-2010, 09:23 AM
TTFU

Also. Would Fareston/Clomid be BETTER than a Nolva/Clomid PCT?

Fareston is more expensive. If it is BETTER than nolva, then I do not mind paying more. If it is not really a better choice than nolva, why spend the extra money?
08-04-2010, 05:33 PM
TTFU

No one else?
08-05-2010, 07:29 PM
peachfuzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTFU

I didn't jump on Letro in PCT.

I ran Nolva and Clomid ONLY for PCT. When I developed the lump (3 weeks AFTER PCT ended), I jumped on letro.

regardless I still would have chosen a SERM over Letro. Maybe a SERM and AI but not Letro.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTFU

Also. Would Fareston/Clomid be BETTER than a Nolva/Clomid PCT?

Fareston is more expensive. If it is BETTER than nolva, then I do not mind paying more. If it is not really a better choice than nolva, why spend the extra money?

Some people prefer Torem some Prefer Nolva. The only way to know what works best for you is to try both.
08-05-2010, 08:09 PM
TTFU

Quote:

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

regardless I still would have chosen a SERM over Letro. Maybe a SERM and AI but not Letro.

Some people prefer Torem some Prefer Nolva. The only way to know what works best for you is to try both.

Can you elaborate? I am always up for learning something new. I have always been taught that when you have a gyno LUMP the only thing that may even POSSIBLY reduce it is Letro.

I might try torem this time. Maybe next though.
08-06-2010, 03:34 PM
peachfuzz

Letro is just simply too strong to use. Yes it is extremely effective at preventing aromatization but perhaps a little too effective causing its own set of unwanted side effects as well as a nasty rebound setting you right back at square one. your in post cycle (yes i know youve finished your post cycle, but your still post cycle) either estro is too high, test is still too low relative to estrogen or both. a SERM will block the already circulating estro from binding and exacurbating gyno while at the same time boosting the HPTA. If you wanted you could run a milder AI in conjunction to lower estro without destroying it. Hormones are obviously out of balance even after your post. fix that and you will prevent gyno at the same time.

Also do some searches on the effectiveness of Nolva on gyno. You will see Letro is definitely not the only option. Raloxifene is shown to be even more effective then Nolva as well.
08-06-2010, 04:29 PM
joshag

I wish I could help you with your question as I too have been very interested in Fareston. Not one post seems to have the answer but several posts telling you not to use Letro. Really? Even after you have a lump?

I am by no means an expert but by the time you have a lump, Nolva for me is no longer an option. I have never read an article or a post about someone ridding a gyno lump with Nolva. Maybe puffiness but not a lump.

Letro: Harsh? Absolutely. Necessary for gyno lumps? Absolutely.
08-07-2010, 09:58 PM
peachfuzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshag

I wish I could help you with your question as I too have been very interested in Fareston. Not one post seems to have the answer but several posts telling you not to use Letro. Really? Even after you have a lump?

I am by no means an expert but by the time you have a lump, Nolva for me is no longer an option. I have never read an article or a post about someone ridding a gyno lump with Nolva. Maybe puffiness but not a lump.

Letro: Harsh? Absolutely. Necessary for gyno lumps? Absolutely.

Letro cant take anywhere between 2-6 weeks to reach steady state blood levels and does nothing to block the already circulating estrogen from binding to estrogen receptor. couple that with the sides and tell me again how Letro is the best option?

Now you have never seen an article about Nolva doing anything to rid a gyno lump...I am assuming you havnt looked to hard. let me provide you with some reading material.

http://forums.steroid.com/educational-threads/379916-estrogen-control-treatment-pct-warmachine.html (this thread says IMPORTANT in big red letters for a reason).

As far as answering his question about fareston...

Quote:

Fareston and clomid and Nolva and clomid are both great choices

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Some people prefer Torem some Prefer Nolva. The only way to know what works best for you is to try both.
08-07-2010, 11:11 PM
TTFU

I have already been on Letro for like 3 weeks so I will continue that. Think throwing in some Nolva would help as well?
08-08-2010, 01:50 AM
peachfuzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTFU

I have already been on Letro for like 3 weeks so I will continue that. Think throwing in some Nolva would help as well?

It can help. whether or not you do decide to use it keep in mind you are absolutely going to need it when coming off of the letro. also be sure to taper the letro. the rebound can be pretty significant.
08-09-2010, 09:45 PM
TTFU

Quote:

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

It can help. whether or not you do decide to use it keep in mind you are absolutely going to need it when coming off of the letro. also be sure to taper the letro. the rebound can be pretty significant.

Yep. Would jumping on a little adex while tapering down the letro and THEN taper down the arimidex help even more to avoid rebound?

I wish I could get my hands on some aromasin. Dunno if I can though.