Getting off cycle advice/help

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 09:21 PM

I've been on 200 mg of test cyp for 12 weeks now. Do you think PCT is needed? Any suggestions on what I should take? I have some ideas from the noob section but thougt I would see what others may suggest since I am not on a "real" cycle.

I decided I want to get off the test and get my diet in check. The test is causing me to gain water and is making me very hungry. I am having a hard time getting my diet in check because of that, but I am still gaining quite a bit of muscle, and some fat. Also some life experiences are hindering my diet as well, so now is not a good time to be on this and get things sorted out right.

IN case you're wondering why I am on such a low cycle, it is a prescription and the doc somewhat forced it on me as they injected me in the office off the bat and sent me home with a script. I went with it and after the fact got educated here. My doc is fairly ignorant.... Doesn't know what tamifoxen is.

So help me get off this. I will save my stuff and do a real cycle someday but decided after trying for nearly a month to get my diet in check now is not the time.

My diet is not that bad but I eat a lot of sugar, something I use to cope with stress and now is fairly stressful due to home and work and young kids.

**Ferdinand** · 08-05-2010, 09:24 PM

Well, you're making the right choice to stop now imo.

You should run pct, even the smallest dose of test will shut you down.
Get your hands on some Nolvadex and Clomid, go to pct section and do some research then come back and post your pct plan.

**gixxerboy1** · 08-05-2010, 10:35 PM

well the dr put you on it for a reason. I would assume your natural test was low? I would personally stay on having low test is a worse feeling. Just man up and watch what you eat

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 10:50 PM

I posted my BW here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...38&postcount=1

While I understand what you are saying, I am just feeling starving all the time and water gain is noticable. Before I started TRT I lost nearly 25 lbs in 6 months through diet, I got down to 174. After starting trt for a month I hit 192 and been stead at 192 since.

I thought maybe if I could get off the test, I could "Reset" and get my diet in check, lose the water weight and start over this winter. I really want to double my dose up to 400 mg per week but I can't seem to get my Bf down like I did before so I can do it.

**ottomaddox** · 08-05-2010, 10:55 PM

Why did the doctor put you on TRT? Why didn't your doctor try to "reset " as you say, your HPTA. What is causing the water weight? too much esto? Are you using an AI with your TRT? Are you drinking enough water? Too much sodium?

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by ottomaddox

Why did the doctor put you on TRT? Why didn't your doctor try to "reset " as you say, your HPTA. What is causing the water weight? too much esto? Are you using an AI with your TRT? Are you drinking enough water? Too much sodium?

- Low test, see above post or here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...38&postcount=1

No clue, dr is clueless.

Water weight because too many carbs (sugar) sodium, and probably not enough water some days.

Esto is fine. No AI right now.

I am just thinking getting off the test will help me get things in order then I can start again. WHile on, my body just wants intake so it can grow and grow, and I don't want to grow that much right now since I'll gain fat and my BF is already high.

**boxin23** · 08-05-2010, 11:00 PM

you really need to post your diet

**ottomaddox** · 08-05-2010, 11:03 PM

Fix your diet, plain and simple. Eat crap, get crap results.

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by boxin23

you really need to post your diet

Lots of sodium, lots of sugar.

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by ottomaddox

Fix your diet, plain and simple. Eat crap, get crap results.

I agree, but its too hard while on the test. It makes me too hungry and that combined with the stress is too hard right now. I am not sure if the water weight can come off while on the test. Can it?

The 200 mg of test I am on is having a profound impact on me, its changing me in many ways.

**ottomaddox** · 08-05-2010, 11:05 PM

That's the problem, not the Test. Pilot Error.

Originally Posted by nwjt

Lots of sodium, lots of sugar.

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by ottomaddox

That's the problem, not the Test. Pilot Error.

I agree, so the idea is to get off the test and fix my diet etc, get my brain in order then start again.

Are you saying just fix the diet and keep on with the test?

**ottomaddox** · 08-05-2010, 11:20 PM

Yes. If you stop the test and with no natural production, you're going to feel like Shit! If your eating lots of sugar and salt, you're probably putting on some fat. The higher the bodyfat the more chances of having ERSE's. Food for thought. When your hungry just make better food choices. I know, easier said than done.

Originally Posted by nwjt

I agree, so the idea is to get off the test and fix my diet etc, get my brain in order then start again.

Are you saying just fix the diet and keep on with the test?

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by ottomaddox

Yes. If you stop the test and with no natural production, you're going to feel like Shit! If your eating lots of sugar and salt, you're probably putting on some fat. The higher the bodyfat the more chances of having ERSE's. Food for thought. When your hungry just make better food choices. I know, easier said than done.

The idea would be to stop the test and get my natural production, albiet low production, working again get things in order.

**gixxerboy1** · 08-05-2010, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by nwjt

Lots of sodium, lots of sugar.

thats why you are holding water and getting fat. its not the test. having test in the normal range would actually help you loose fat

**Big** · 08-05-2010, 11:55 PM

have you had blood work while on the test to see where you are? dieting properly while on test isn't hard, it just takes dedication. I'd venture a guess that you will have a lot more trouble reaching your goals with low test.

**nwjt** · 08-05-2010, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Big

have you had blood work while on the test to see where you are? dieting properly while on test isn't hard, it just takes dedication. I'd venture a guess that you will have a lot more trouble reaching your goals with low test.

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...38&postcount=1

i posted here

**Big** · 08-05-2010, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by nwjt

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...38&postcount=1

i posted here

what do you see in those levels that makes you think you should stop?

**nwjt** · 08-06-2010, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Big

what do you see in those levels that makes you think you should stop?

Its not the levels, its the weight gain and the bloat look I am getting.

I thought it might be easier to fix my diet while off the test.

**Big** · 08-06-2010, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by nwjt

Its not the levels, its the weight gain and the bloat look I am getting.

I thought it might be easier to fix my diet while off the test.

I would expect it to be harder.

**nwjt** · 08-06-2010, 12:08 AM

Before I started the TRT I lost 25 lbs through diet a lone. I finally had it to where I could control myself. But after starting TRT I am seriously hungry all the time. I am also growing a lot which is not what I want if I am going to look bloated.

Do you think if I get my diet fixed the bloat will go away or will I have to do to pct for a bit to get it down then start over?

**Big** · 08-06-2010, 12:13 AM

as already stated, low test makes you store fat. have you ever stuck to a near perfect diet for a long time while on the test?

**nwjt** · 08-06-2010, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Big

as already stated, low test makes you store fat. have you ever stuck to a near perfect diet for a long time while on the test?

No, I've only been on test for 12 weeks, not sure if that's a long time or not.

Not sure what a perfect diet is either.

My diet today:

5 egg whites
1/2 serving of protien shake (gnc 100% weigh)
2 jr roast beef from arby's
1/4 lb cheesburger, 80 cal bun
6 oreos
a serving of pringles
2 yoplait "light" yogurts
1 bowl of cherios.
another 1/2 serving of wehy protien after workout.

Today I lifted 225 ten times first set which is a crazy record for me. So while I am not liking my bloat, there are certainly positive things happening as well.

**Big** · 08-06-2010, 12:22 AM

your choice, if I were you I would stay on trt and diet properly.
good luck.

**boxin23** · 08-06-2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by nwjt

no, i've only been on test for 12 weeks, not sure if that's a long time or not.

Not sure what a perfect diet is either.

My diet today:

5 egg whites
1/2 serving of protien shake (gnc 100% weigh)
2 jr roast beef from arby's
1/4 lb cheesburger, 80 cal bun
6 oreos
a serving of pringles
2 yoplait "light" yogurts
1 bowl of cherios.
Another 1/2 serving of wehy protien after workout.

Today i lifted 225 ten times first set which is a crazy record for me. So while i am not liking my bloat, there are certainly positive things happening as well.

if you are truly concerned about feeling better and not being so bloated and nasty looking then all you need to do is substitute the cheeseburgers for some lean chicken that you can bbq at home and pack with you and get rid of oreos and eat some fruit or veggies in stead. Give yourself a cheat meal once a week to get your fix on carbs and crap. Stay on the test and try a better diet for 3 months. I guarantee you will start to feel and look better....of course you have to keep lifting/exercising. What is your final goal with all this?

**nwjt** · 08-06-2010, 10:27 PM

Here is an old progression pic. My goal is to never be fat or look fat again in clothes. Right now with my bloating, in clothes I think I look fatter than I did before I started the test. I do not care to get "ripped" but to rather just not be fat. But the test is making me crave like never before. It took 6 months to drop 25 lbs and in 11 weeks I gained nearly 20 back! Note I was put on TRT and I feel 1000% better, but I think I need to figure out how to control my eating.. maybe it will subside? A few months ago I had my diet down pat, but for some reason I just crave now more than ever. Is it possible all the mass I am building will level off and then I won't crave so much?

BTW my goal is to be 175 lbs with 10% bodyfat. I got down to 175 but with 18%, now I am 192 with about 22%.

**Jfew44** · 08-06-2010, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by nwjt

No, I've only been on test for 12 weeks, not sure if that's a long time or not.

Not sure what a perfect diet is either.

My diet today:

5 egg whites
1/2 serving of protien shake (gnc 100% weigh)
2 jr roast beef from arby's
1/4 lb cheesburger, 80 cal bun
6 oreos
a serving of pringles
2 yoplait "light" yogurts
1 bowl of cherios.
another 1/2 serving of wehy protien after workout.

Today I lifted 225 ten times first set which is a crazy record for me. So while I am not liking my bloat, there are certainly positive things happening as well.

Problems in bold. Obviously with your goals you do not NEED to be on the type of diet some of us are on. But cutting the fast food and sweets will do a world of good. You may find when you eat healthier you aren't as hungry as well. Good luck.

**Big** · 08-06-2010, 11:54 PM

you simply need to prioritize, if you want it bad enough you resist the cravings. I've got a house full of kids and there is always junk food here, and of course I crave it. I want to be low bf, so I resist the cravings. no one can do it for you, you cave in to the cravings and look pudgy compared to your goal, or you have the willpower to make your goal a reality.