frontloading?

[yung_blood]

okay i have decided my second cycle is going to be,
testostone enanthate - 800mg/week
deca - 500mg/week
equipoise - 200mg/week
dbols - 50mg/day for first 4 weeks
winstrol - 75mg/day last 4 weeks (maaybe, we'll see how i look then)

the more i read the more i hear about front loading. is those are my numbers going in, what would be a good idea with regards to front loading, like how much should i be taking extra and for how long? thanks so much

[HawaiianPride.]

Why so many compounds?

age
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training experience
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goals with this cycle
planned pct

[yung_blood]

20
235
5'11.5
10-12%
4 years, i would definitely consider myself knowledgable at the gym.
diets really clean, i obviously gotta throw in a few cheat meals every now and again or i'd go crazy, but i eat alot of fish, chicken and occasional red meat. carb sources are rice, pasta. i eat a moderate amount of veges and salads and alllways finish my night off with 1.5 cups cottage cheese.

i plan on runnin hcg, clomid and nolva.
and my goals with this cycle is to try something different than trenbolone, which i am currently running but it bothers me. i want to get my weight up around 255-260 over the 14 weeks. i always like to start with dbols because of the immediate gains, maintains focus and commitment when i'm always seeing results. the winny is going to be a gametime decision. i'm running it now and like it alot but it may not be necessary when the time comes. i decided to work in the eq just to bump the appetite a little bit, see if i can take in around 7500cal a day that would be ideal and i'm reading more and more great things about equipoise.

lastly i have test 400 and deca 250, just conveniently works out to 2ml each so it makes it easiest like that for me. i'm running 750 test now so 800 i wouldnt say is unreasonable at all

[sixey]

jeebus, that is a hell of a cycle for a 20 yr old. im not going to scold you about your age and usage, others can do that.


as far as the frontloading long esters, i was reading up on it for awhile and it seems alot of people dont particularly care for it? they didnt notice any worthwhile benefits and just ended up using more gear. i could be completely wrong, please correct me if i am, but read through several threads in which a fair amount of the "big dogs" on here said they dont bother with the front loading. your already doing a kick start with the d-bols, i would just crank on those for the few weeks before whatever else your taking really kicks in.

[ghettoboyd]

this is your second cycle and your going to run all of those compounds without any acctual experiance with them?.....not to flame you bro but that seem reckless and irrisponsible specially at the age of 20.....its your body man so be carefull and be dam shure you know what your doing....goodluck...

[yung_blood]

yeah i appreciate the concern but i started off running test tren var, dbols to start and winny to finish. you can say i got lucky i suppose but i responded extremely well to everything so i'm now going to move onto other, cleaner in my opinion, stacks. I've done my research and if everything continues to work out as well as it has i'm starting to see a bright future. and sixey man that's definitely what i wanted to hear, thanks alot i'll definitely be running things as originally planned.

[fleck]

book your funeral asap

[yung_blood]

actually in great health, extremely clean diet with frequent doctor visits. but yah.. i'll get right on that

[yung_blood]

btw when people say that's a hell of a stack, are you referring to the large number of compounds, or are you saying that there's alot of each compound? im obviously looking for suggestions as long as they can be explained, i'll definitely have an idea what you're talking about, and i appreciate everyone lookin out, thanks again

[HawaiianPride.]

Too many compounds and yes the dosages are a bit high. You are a novice in the AAS world. I see no reason to add more compounds or alter your dosage unless it's absolutely necessary to make additional progress. In your case I doubt it is.

[Bio-Active]

Too many compounds and yes the dosages are a bit high. You are a novice in the AAS world. I see no reason to add more compounds or alter your dosage unless it's absolutely necessary to make additional progress. In your case I doubt it is.

^^^ Agreed add 1 compound to second cycle. If you add more than 1 and have side effects you wont no which steroid is causing the sides!

[yung_blood]

first cycle i ran,
testosterone enanthate 750mg/week
trenbolone acetate 350mg/week
anavar 50mg/day,
start dbols 50mg/day for 4 weeks
finish winstrol 75mg/day for 4 weeks

i'm replacing the tren with deca and the var with eq, thinking that's a much cleaner option? i had absolutely no side effects thus far and all is well

[yung_blood]

so should i not run the eq at all? its just 200mg a week?

[HawaiianPride.]

If you keep this routine up, whats next? Sounds like each cycle you plan on doing next you are just going to add more and more compounds.

These are advanced protocols you are running here. And you are clearly a NOVICE. Work your way up man. You don't need to go full blown on your first and second cycles. Your young as hell, too damn young to even be touching these substances. If have your mind set on cycling like this, then I can't imagine what your cycles are going to look like in the future.

I've already shared my advice. Do what you want bro, it's your body.

[yung_blood]

i understand what you're saying, but taking into consideration my first cycle, what do you think would be a better suggestion for my second?

[yung_blood]

also im and aspiring bodybuilder, i guess i should have said that earlier. the big goal is stepping on stage at 240lbs a year and a half from now.

[HawaiianPride.]

I don't hand out detailed cycle advice to anyone under 21. Sorry bro. Maybe someone here will be willing to do so..

Good luck.

[yung_blood]

and i'm not looking to add more and more i'm just not satisfied with my first cycle. i didn't like the aggression/kidney issues that came with the tren and i'm looking to move away from it. also, i don't care for orals much either. i figure the eq is muuuuch cleaner than anavar, and therefore a healthier option. if all goes well i could see myself running this same cycle for a while in the future

[yung_blood]

I don't hand out detailed cycle advice to anyone under 21. Sorry bro. Maybe someone here will be willing to do so..

Good luck.

all good man thanks anyways for the concern and input, i'll definitely take what you've said into consideration

[HawaiianPride.]

all good man thanks anyways for the concern and input, i'll definitely take what you've said into consideration

Sounds good man.

[vegasbound]

If you keep this routine up, whats next? Sounds like each cycle you plan on doing next you are just going to add more and more compounds.

These are advanced protocols you are running here. And you are clearly a NOVICE. Work your way up man. You don't need to go full blown on your first and second cycles. Your young as hell, too damn young to even be touching these substances. If have your mind set on cycling like this, then I can't imagine what your cycles are going to look like in the future.

I've already shared my advice. Do what you want bro, it's your body.

Well said!

[baseline_9]

while front loading the theory is to take double the dose for the duration of the half life of the ester

hope that makes sence to you, it does to me anyway

[baseline_9]

first cycle i ran,
testosterone enanthate 750mg/week
trenbolone acetate 350mg/week
anavar 50mg/day,
start dbols 50mg/day for 4 weeks
finish winstrol 75mg/day for 4 weeks

i'm replacing the tren with deca and the var with eq, thinking that's a much cleaner option? i had absolutely no side effects thus far and all is well

this is just crazy!

What did you gain and keep from this cycle

If you had no sides from that cycle I would say your gear is possibly underdosed