AS+Supps?

[JohnnyClutch]

Ive been a member for about a week now and spent at least an hour every night reading and searching for information. Still, I havent come across the topic of using supplements at the same time as AS. Supplements such as creatine; or NO.
So...what do you bros recommend? Are those obsolete when goin through a cycle?

[G4R]

I use NO pre workout, and used to use creatine during PCT (but not anymore).

Are you planning on running a cycle soon?

[JohnnyClutch]

January Ill be taking my first cycle...just Test. I read its a good start for a newb. Ive been off NO and creatine for about 4 months now, thinking of staying off til Jan when I start Test. Question tho, why take creatine post cycle?

[HawaiianPride.]

Ive been a member for about a week now and spent at least an hour every night reading and searching for information. Still, I havent come across the topic of using supplements at the same time as AS. Supplements such as creatine; or NO.
So...what do you bros recommend? Are those obsolete when goin through a cycle?

Creatine intake should be increased while on cycle. Michael Gundill writes a good article regarding this.

Anyways, to answer your question; I stick with the basics. Whey, free form BCAA, CM, Fish oils, NO igniter if necessary.

[JohnnyClutch]

very helpful! heres the link...

edit: my bad...

ave you ever noticed a more pronounced effect from taking creatine with your drugs?

The following excerpts are providided by the notorious Michael Gundill(a.k.a. Dharkam)....Although creatine does have testosterone -like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...Well fellas,it looks like it might be a good idea to stock up on creatine when you're grabbing your protein powder for those bulking cycles,hehheh...

[G4R]

I used the creatine during PCT to help with keeping gains. As to whether or not it really worked, I dont know. I just dont spend the money on it anymore.

[G4R]

very helpful! heres the link...

EDIT

Sorry, but you need to edit that link out. We dont allow links to other sites like that, especially other forums. If you want to post the info, you can copy and paste it here, but cant have the link.