deca-sus stack

[jonny-69]

hi all i would like to do a stack of deca 100mg(8 weeks) and sus 250mg(6 weeks) with clomid, kessar & zma/tribulus as pct.
how much do u think i could gain on this course and i am a novice (only 1 short sus-dbol course) so is the length alright?
any advice would be appreciated thanks

stats

age: 21
height: 5'11
weight: 200lbs
bf: +-12%
years lifting: 2

[HawaiianPride.]

Cycle plan doesn't look good. Your PCT is insufficient. You don't have enough training experience behind you. And to add, many people on this board will probably flame you for your age.

What are your goals? How's that diet look?

[D7M]

Terrible cycle.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=367187

^Read that.

[jonny-69]

haha thanks 4 telling me straight bud! well man i wanna get to 220lbs within the next 3 months. that means 20lbs. i like to think i diet well i push on average around 230g of protein daily, try to eat every 2-2.5 hours. consists of shakes, tuna, pasta, brown bread and peanut-butter and eggs.

[jonny-69]

ok sweet so how could i re-arrange to maximise my use of these 2 compounds?

[HawaiianPride.]

That doesn't give us enough information. Post your diet in detail in the nutrition section.

[D7M]

ok sweet so how could i re-arrange to maximise my use of these 2 compounds?

You shouldn't cycle at all.

From the link that you obviously didn't read:

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

[jonny-69]

ok thanks i appreciate the advice. i have taken one course before and 2 courses of prohormones (superdrol/19-nor) so does this mean i have ****ed myself up already or is it not too late?

[D7M]

Only blood work can tell you where you're at.

[jonny-69]

ok thanks. can i use prohormones like 1-ad at my age or is tha same drill?

[HawaiianPride.]

Even worse. They are still steroids once filtered through the liver.