Ive researched and have alot of questions still.

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:32 PM

Ok, so I'm deciding to run my first cycle after my cut.
I want to try out clomid(or anything else that's better?)
Day 1 300mg
Day 2-11 100mg everyday
Day 12-21 50mg everyday
I don't know which PCT to use and when though..
I need help with that, also is it possible to run it for 5 weeks? Seems like a good short first cycle, and I was wondering if I keep eating a lot and lifting hard with my gains stay near they are after cycle? Sorry for the newbie questions and all just trying to figure it out.

**gymfu** · 08-08-2010, 02:35 PM

First of all clomid is a serm drug not a steroid .

give us your stats

age?
weight?
hight?
bodyfat?
years training?

**bigmikey** · 08-08-2010, 02:39 PM

where exactly did you research?

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

First of all clomid is a serm drug not a steroid .

give us your stats

age?
weight?
hight?
bodyfat?
years training?

Age:22
weight:190
height:5'11
Bf: 17-18%? ATM
Years: 2

Just notices and was very confused.

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by bigmikey

where exactly did you research?

Reading one of the newbie things and misread it. Now I'm all sorts of lost

**MACHINE5150** · 08-08-2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Addictive

Age:22
weight:190
height:5'11
Bf: 17-18%? ATM
Years: 2

Just notices and was very confused.

you are a bit young bud. I recomend waiting at leat two more years or at the very least get xrayed to see if your growth plates have closed yet.. but no one on here will condone starting a cycle with less that 3 years experience in the gym and/or younger than 24/25

**newb23** · 08-08-2010, 02:46 PM

a little young to be on them, what does your diet look like? but test is the best beginner cycle, and look at the PCT section for proper PCT

**newb23** · 08-08-2010, 02:47 PM

but i agree with machine, too young to start wait couple of years

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:48 PM

Ok...
I've hear that PHs aren't as bad as AAS would That be something to do? I'm just wanting to try my first cycle for 5weeks.
And wanting to learn how to keep the gains.

**MACHINE5150** · 08-08-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Addictive

Reading one of the newbie things and misread it. Now I'm all sorts of lost

reading a couple threads is not sufficient research to start a cycle.. give us your goals and perhaps we can help you achieve them through good advice.. advice that does not involve taking steroids .. i.e. diet and exercise program help that would usually cost you hundreds of dollars from a personal trainer..

so tell us your goals and a bit about your typical workout week days/body parts and exercises.. and a typical diet for a whole day.. i.e. when and what you eat and how many meals.. etc

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:49 PM

Ok...
I've hear that PHs aren't as bad as AAS would That be something to do? I'm just wanting to try my first cycle for 5weeks.
And wanting to learn how to keep the gains.

**ghettoboyd** · 08-08-2010, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Addictive

Ok...
I've hear that PHs aren't as bad as AAS would That be something to do? I'm just wanting to try my first cycle for 5weeks.
And wanting to learn how to keep the gains.

uggg dude you have know idea do you....PH's are desighner steroids where the manufactuer will stack several compounds into one all which are usually heptoxic so to be real with you they are far worse than most aas even the orals...

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:53 PM

Ok.

My diet is clean, 6 meals a day. Consists of eggs, steak, fish, greens etc. Was shown to me by a bodybuilder works amazing on this cut
I do a powerlifting routine.
Monday: upperbody
Wednesday: lower body heavy
Friday: upperbody high reps
Sat: lowerbody light

Main goal is to get stronger, lean out with higher weight

**newb23** · 08-08-2010, 02:54 PM

no i wouldnt advise you to take PHs. if u get your diet right you could gain just as much as if you were taking AAS.

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by newb23

a little young to be on them, what does your diet look like? but test is the best beginner cycle, and look at the PCT section for proper PCT

Test the name or nickname?

**ghettoboyd** · 08-08-2010, 02:55 PM

my advise to you op is to forget about the idea of any anabolic compounds aas or otherwise and really focus on the things that will get you heading in the right direction..your diet and training routine dictates how you gain whether your on aas or off...you need to learn the basics first bro and while your doing it take the time to read all of the educational threads and get a good grasp on how it all works....

**Atomini** · 08-08-2010, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Addictive

Ok...
I've hear that PHs aren't as bad as AAS would That be something to do? I'm just wanting to try my first cycle for 5weeks.
And wanting to learn how to keep the gains.

Where have you heard this? Prohormones are several fold times WORSE than anabolic steroids when it comes to detrimental effects on the body. Don't use prohormones. If you're going to use PH, then just go and do straight steroids.

Prohormones are basically half-completed chemical structure (OR a precursor) of various anabolic steroids . Prohormones force your liver to complete the chemical structure of the steroid that you're taking, and that places a ton of stress on the liver and your liver values AND LDL (bad) cholesterol will skyrocket far higher than any oral steroid would do. You're better off injecting/ingesting straight hormones into your body than do the prohormone junk.

You also get worse side effects with prohormones and less results than steroids, so to sum it up:

Prohormones = side effects and more destruction on your body (especially liver)

Steroids = much safer and you will get actual gains for your money.

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

my advise to you op is to forget about the idea of any anabolic compounds aas or otherwise and really focus on the things that will get you heading in the right direction..your diet and training routine dictates how you gain whether your on aas or off...you need to learn the basics first bro and while your doing it take the time to read all of the educational threads and get a good grasp on how it all works....

Yea I get what you mean, my diet and routine are both in check.
I'm just trying to learn all this, pretty confusing.

**newb23** · 08-08-2010, 03:00 PM

ok you have to research a lot more before you try and do anything. hopefully you will take our advice and wait a couple of years. but if u dont and need to rush into it make sure you do it right... this is the best site to come too to learn about steroids , take our advise

**Bio-Active** · 08-08-2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Addictive

Ok.

My diet is clean, 6 meals a day. Consists of eggs, steak, fish, greens etc. Was shown to me by a bodybuilder works amazing on this cut
I do a powerlifting routine.
Monday: upperbody
Wednesday: lower body heavy
Friday: upperbody high reps
Sat: lowerbody light

Main goal is to get stronger, lean out with higher weight

I really hope you are eating some carbs? You really need to head over to the diet section. No steroid will help you accomplish your goals as FOOD!

**MACHINE5150** · 08-08-2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

my advise to you op is to forget about the idea of any anabolic compounds aas or otherwise and really focus on the things that will get you heading in the right direction..your diet and training routine dictates how you gain whether your on aas or off...you need to learn the basics first bro and while your doing it take the time to read all of the educational threads and get a good grasp on how it all works....

exactly. Wait until you have hit a brick wall.. i am your height a i am 50lbs heavier than you with roughly the same bodyfat.. i am 5 years older, but i have achieved my gains through proper diet and exercise..

do more research.. check this board for a while... and in a years time, once you have done some proper research we can talk, until then just stick to the natural stuff.. i.e. creatine, protien shakes, maybe some Zinc and Magnesium before bed time..

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Where have you heard this? Prohormones are several fold times WORSE than anabolic steroids when it comes to detrimental effects on the body. Don't use prohormones. If you're going to use PH, then just go and do straight steroids.

Prohormones are basically half-completed chemical structure (OR a precursor) of various anabolic steroids . Prohormones force your liver to complete the chemical structure of the steroid that you're taking, and that places a ton of stress on the liver and your liver values AND LDL (bad) cholesterol will skyrocket far higher than any oral steroid would do. You're better off injecting/ingesting straight hormones into your body than do the prohormone junk.

You also get worse side effects with prohormones and less results than steroids, so to sum it up:

Prohormones = side effects and more destruction on your body (especially liver)

Steroids = much safer and you will get actual gains for your money.

Wow, thank you x10000000
Did not know it was worst.

**gymfu** · 08-08-2010, 03:03 PM

At your age and experience level I recomend you to wait atleast two years. In two years time your HPTA will have most likley have settled in for the rest of our life, your growth plates will have sealled off, you will have more time to build up your connective tissues, and you can use this time to experement with diets and learn how to eat right.

I asure you there is much to learn about your diets, everybody thinks they eat clean, untill they post up their diet.

BTY pro-hormones are worse that AAS. Harder on your body and less results.

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 03:10 PM

posting diet

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 03:11 PM

RRoutine
Westside for skinny bastards

Meal 1: 4 hardboiled eggs 1 yolk, oats
meal 2: chicken breast, and greens
Meal 3: whole almonds, protein shake
Meal 4: chicken and greens
Meal 5: steak and potatoes
Meal 6; 2 hardboiled eggs no yolk

**gymfu** · 08-08-2010, 03:17 PM

Ok I'm no diet expert. If your ready to get help this is what you need to do. Go to the diet section of this forum, there are rules and instructions on how to post up your diet for critique. They will help you out, I could make some suggestions now but like I said I'm no diet expert.

**james_trudee** · 08-08-2010, 03:20 PM

I know this is ironic to say, but maybe you should just continue training naturally untill 24-25 and do a little bit more research. Although i've been training naturally for 4 years and constant research, I understand theres a lot more to learn and theres a certain maturity and dedication you must have before considering a cycle.

I'm only 20 and currently on my 2nd cycle. I'm regretting the choices i made. Definetly going all natural untill 25 after this.

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 03:25 PM

Why you regretting it?

**MACHINE5150** · 08-08-2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Addictive

RRoutine
Westside for skinny bastards

Meal 1: 4 hardboiled eggs 1 yolk, oats
meal 2: chicken breast, and greens
Meal 3: whole almonds, protein shake
Meal 4: chicken and greens
Meal 5: steak and potatoes
Meal 6; 2 hardboiled eggs no yolk

add a casien shake prior to going to bed every night ot give your body some long term protien while you rest. just my opinion

**james_trudee** · 08-08-2010, 03:32 PM

Lack of maturity mostly, just being off of it made me want to go back on it.

I would have rather trained longer naturally and perfected a good workout plan/diet before AAS. My first cycle i really had no idea what i was doing....

Not to mention i'm having trouble getting erections even after seeing a doctor and getting bloodwork done. But it may have just been the hog i was trying to slay haha.

**Addictive** · 08-08-2010, 03:34 PM

That's a good idea.. thank you.
Hmm..

Also, after a bit when I start my first cycle, will It be

Cycle test
Pct clomid
??
Anything else?
Needle size? Like what's the layout basics of what I need to know?

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-08-2010, 03:50 PM

After everything you've been advised in this thread you are still asking how you should cycle?

**ghettoboyd** · 08-08-2010, 03:51 PM

please dude as this is an educational forum we like for peeps to do a bit of reasurch on there own and understand the basics by themselves then come with more in depth questions not to ask us to spoon feed you the info...its all here everything you want to know you just have to actually search for it and read.....

**AlphaGenetics** · 08-08-2010, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Addictive

That's a good idea.. thank you.
Hmm..

Also, after a bit when I start my first cycle, will It be

Cycle test
Pct clomid
??
Anything else?
Needle size? Like what's the layout basics of what I need to know?

Your askin to be spoon fed way too much info. You need to focus on diet not steroids anyways.