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08-10-2010, 11:02 PM #1Junior Member
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first cycle in years - advice please? need help.
so, ive been working on and off since i was 19, and i am 27 now. my last was about 4 years ago and consisted of:
500mg wk sustonon
50mg ED anadrol
200mg wk deca
at the time i was 23 and went from 150lbs to about 175lbs with good gains and results i were extremely happy w/.
anyway, since then i really havent been working out to gain muscle or weigh, more so just to stay athletic since i play a number of sports.
well, now i am ready to bulk again and put on some weight. currently i am 5'8, 173lbs, and probably about 11% BF.
Here is what I am considering, so please help out.
Test 450 (prop/cyp, i think)
Thai dbols (prob 25-35 MG's a day)
Deca @ 200mg's a week.
What type of results can I expect w/ this cycle? Id be running the test for 12 weeks and the dbols for 5 to kick start as well as deca throughout (PCT to come after)
Also, as a second options, I have some Somatropin HGH available to me. No matter how much I read up on HGH, I really cant grasp the idea of what I should be taking with it, if I should stack it, etc - so any help here is greatly appreciate.
Guys, thanks in advance.Last edited by JustDoIt12; 08-10-2010 at 11:42 PM.
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08-10-2010, 11:28 PM #2Anabolic Voice of Reason
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Sorry, but you need to edit that part. No price discussion allowed.
As for the cycle, what are your goals? Has your diet been changed to accomodate your goals?
HGH needs to be run at the very least 6 - 8 months straight. I have personally never run it, so I can not give any info from a personal standpoint on it. But I will go ahead and say you can prob hold off from using it right now.
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08-10-2010, 11:44 PM #3Junior Member
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Originally Posted by G4R;5306***
Well, I guess my goal is for overall strength and size. I posted a picture of myself now in the pic sections (reattached here) and I am just looking to gain more muscle mass.
As for now, my diet has NOT been changed. Within the last 3-4 months I have lost my abs (which is funny because its usually you want abs in the summer). I have been eating OK at best - but again, I havent been training lately to gain, more so to maintain until I start a cycle.
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08-10-2010, 11:58 PM #4Anabolic Voice of Reason
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08-11-2010, 12:10 AM #5Junior Member
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yup, super test 450.
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08-11-2010, 12:17 AM #6Anabolic Voice of Reason
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Hmmm, well to be honest, I have never run Super Test (mainly because I have had no need to). Why not just go with Test E or C?
Also, I am sure you know, but we need to get you on something like a lean muscle mass diet a few months before you start this cycle.
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08-11-2010, 12:28 AM #7Junior Member
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ive read some cool stuff about super test 450 and have it available at a good price was i was thinking of giving it a shot. my original instinct was going to with test e.
i dont plan to start this cycle till october 1st, which is why i am currently hitting the gym hard w/ a OK diet that looks something like.
help me out w/ the diet please.
7am - egg whites adn youngurt - 40gs protein roughly
10am - shake - about 40hs
1230 - typically will have a steak tip / grilled chk salad
330 - some peanuts or some type of snack
615 - preworkout shake (sometimes ill eat 6oz chicken - not good before workout but usually im hungry at at this time)
8 - post workout shake
930 - last meal of the night is usually tuna or chicken again
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08-11-2010, 12:54 AM #8Anabolic Voice of Reason
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Well, I will be the first to tell you, I am not a diet expert. The guys in the diet section will probably be better able to help. I will post up my recommendations in just a few moments.
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08-11-2010, 01:08 AM #9Anabolic Voice of Reason
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Meal 1:
5 Egg whites
1 Can solid white tuna
1/2 Cup oatmeal (plain)
4g Fish Oil
Meal 2:
2 Cans solid white tuna
2 slices whole wheat bread
Meal 3:
8oz Chicken
1/3 cup brown rice
1/3 cup broccoli
4g Fish oil
Meal 4:
2 Cans tuna
1 slice whole wheat bread
Meal 5:
8oz Fish
1/4 cup whole grain pasta
4g Fish Oil
WORKOUT
Meal 6 (PWO):
2 scoops 100% Whey Protein
1/2 sweet potato
Meal 7:
1 scoop 100% casein protein
*1/4 cup low-fat cottage cheese
*if I am still hungry
Again, I am in now way an expert on diets, but this may help you get started in the right direction. Someone like Phate will be able to help you better on this.
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08-11-2010, 04:51 AM #10Junior Member
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thanks man, i appreciate all the info.
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08-11-2010, 05:43 AM #11
that seems like a lot for someone who is 170lbs.. but i am no expert either..
calculate your BMR and your TDEE and post it in the diet section with your stats and goals.. there are some pros on here that will help you:
Bmr=66+(13.7xkg)+(5xcm)-(6.8xage)
1kg=2.2lb
1in=2.54cm
Once you know your BMR (basal metabolic rate) then use your daily activity factor to get your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE):
-Sedentary................BMR x 1.2 (little exercise)
-Lightly active...........BMR x 1.375 (light exercise)
-Moderately active.....BMR x 1.55 (moderate exercise)
-Very active.............BMR x 1.725 (hard exercise)
-Extremely active......BMR x 1.9 (hard exercise daily)
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08-11-2010, 08:27 AM #12Junior Member
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08-11-2010, 08:42 AM #13
bro you got a solid base good lean body mass and with a good cycle of test and d-bol. if you stick to a clean diet and some cardio i would guess 15lbs of lean , but if you ate everything is site (which is not all that bad sometimes) any were from 25-30lbs easy.
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08-11-2010, 12:56 PM #14Junior Member
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yea, I think I should get good gains. I am more so the type of person to eat EVERYTHING when trying to put on weight, and then when it comes down to cutting, I will probably run a cutting cycle.
Last cycle I put on some great weight and made good gains and from my viewpoint looked GOOOOOOOD! ha.
anyway, I see no one has any info on the HGH I mentioned? Not worth it for someone like me? Maybe ask in a different forum?
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08-11-2010, 02:47 PM #17Junior Member
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I figured that.
Do you guys suggest doing with Test E or C over Super Test 450?
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