Question on prop cycle!

[george_lifter]

I was just wondering...i have some deca that i used in the past and have 2 vials left over. Well would it be alright to throw that in with my test prop and winny cycle? Or would it just be a waste?

[D7M]

well, it wouldn't be a "waste"

but it's tough to advise you further without knowing your stats and cycle history.

[george_lifter]

stats:

24yrs old.
183 current weight at 12%bf
5'6''

Cycle Histroy:
Deca only back in highschool...( i know stupid, but luckily nothing bad happened to me0
Test E only (500wk for 10 weeks)
Test and deca cycle (Test E 500 wk 1-12 deca 300 wk 1-10

Now just trying something different

[Knockout_Power]

and what are you proposing for dosages this cycle? 2 vials (assuming 10mL's) dont go that far for deca when it should be run minimum 10 weeks

[george_lifter]

yeah 2 vials 10ml's at 200 each...so 200 a weeks wont cut it.. Good point! I can get my hands on more very quick if i need to however!

[suttie]

if ou run the deca for 10 weeks you will need to run the test prop for 12 weeks as you want to run test 2 weeks past deca to prevent ed problems and also for the nandrolone ester to clear ,i persoanly dont like running shor and long ester together ,now if you were to get npp that would be a different story.

[_ripp3d_]

yeah 2 vials 10ml's at 200 each...so 200 a weeks wont cut it.. Good point! I can get my hands on more very quick if i need to however!

Wouldnt 20 mls at 200 each be good for 10 weeks at 400 ?

[suttie]

Wouldnt 20 mls at 200 each be good for 10 weeks at 400 ?

yes.

[george_lifter]

oh ya..stupid me..so 400mg a week would be fine...How do i incorporate this with my cycle:


Test Prop 75mg ED wks 1-10
Winny 50mgs ED wks 4-10
Deca ???

[suttie]

weeks 1-12 75mgs prop ed

weeks 6-12 50mgs winny ed

weeks 1-10 400mgs deca ew

pct starts 2 days after last prop shot/winny tab

[skeletal pump]

from what ive read from some vets they have said to run deca and winny st the same time, any truth to this???

[suttie]

from what ive read from some vets they have said to run deca and winny st the same time, any truth to this???

no not realy ,winny is mosty used at the end of cyces to harden up the gains one has made.

[Big]

if ou run the deca for 10 weeks you will need to run the test prop for 12 weeks as you want to run test 2 weeks past deca to prevent ed problems and also for the nandrolone ester to clear ,i persoanly dont like running shor and long ester together ,now if you were to get npp that would be a different story.

I would want to run the prop at least 3 weeks longer, the deca would not clear in 2 weeks, imo.

[suttie]

I would want to run the prop at least 3 weeks longer, the deca would not clear in 2 weeks, imo.

yes there are alot of different veiws on this ,2 weeks works for me but if he wants to make sure 100% then 3 weeks is best.

[george_lifter]

What should i use while on this cycle to prevent the sides. I know deca aromatizes right? So a list of what i should use while on to prevent all sides would be great...thank you suttie for that great layout!

[suttie]

adex on cycle at .25/.5 mgs every other day ,nolvadex canont be used with deca on cycle so adex is your best bet for cintroling bloat/gyno ,i am also a firm belive in runng hcg on cycle to prevent shrinkage and to help aid recovery ,here is how i would do it perfectly


weeks 1-12 75mgs prop ed

weeks 6-12 50mgs winny ed

weeks 1-10 400mgs deca ew

weeks 1-12 .5mgs adex eod

weeks 1-12 400iu hcg every 4th day

2 days after last prop/winny shot start pct

nolvadex 40/40/20/20

clomid 100/50/50/25

proviron 50/50/25/25

proviron really helps me keep sex drive up,its agreat compound on pct and it dont effect hpta shut down/recovery.

[george_lifter]

Sounds great...now this isnt too much for me do ya think...and should i get good results and keep a lot of the gains?

[D7M]

nolvadex canont be used with deca on cycle

Actually, you can use nolva with deca or any 19nors for that matter.

nolva down-regulates the progesterone receptor in breast tissue.

[suttie]

adex for keeping of bloat and gyno at bay

hcg for preventing shrinkage and help with recovery

nolvadex and clomid for aiding the recovery of hpta

proviron for keeping up sex drive and maybe keeping some nice pumps up on pct without any effect on recover



prop/deca/winny for the lean mass muscle buliding .

its a nice cycle and withthe adex on cycle you will get real nice lean dry gains and with the winny at the end you will be like a rock .

[suttie]

Actually, you can use nolva with deca or any 19nors for that matter.

nolva down-regulates the progesterone receptor in breast tissue.

yes you can but it can lead to problems for some ,its not advised to use nolvadex with any 19 nor ,adex is far better ,also nolva will do nothing for bloat imo while adex will cover both gyno and blaot a far better chooice imo.

[george_lifter]

sounds great....suttie thanks again for quick replys and great advice!! Thanks everyone for the help

[D7M]

yes you can but it can lead to problems for some ,its not advised to use nolvadex with any 19 nor ,adex is far better ,also nolva will do nothing for bloat imo while adex will cover both gyno and blaot a far better chooice imo.

No, that's what I'm saying: you CAN take nolva with a 19nor.

And of course a SERM won't do anything for bloat.

I just wanted to the board to be clear that nolva + 19nor is fine, and in fact helpful in some cases.

Hold on...I'll find the thread where Swifto explains it better than I...

[D7M]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=401489

[george_lifter]

Well either way...D7M is this a good looking cycle without running the nolva til pct?

[suttie]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=401489

bookmarked ,very intresting rean man ,thanks ,still personly for me adex is the king as its great for bloat something that nolva will not control ,regarless thats a very good thread you posted right there.

[sixey]

from what ive read from some vets they have said to run deca and winny st the same time, any truth to this???

only because deca will help if the winny gives the user joint issues. also some people are head over heels for deca and every cut or bulk cycle they have will include it.

[D7M]

Well either way...D7M is this a good looking cycle without running the nolva til pct?

I think it looks fine.

Good luck.

bookmarked ,very intresting rean man ,thanks ,still persaly for me adex is the ling as its great for bloat something that nolva will not control ,regarless thats a very good thread you posted right there.

It's all good.

I know some people like AI's better. I always responded well to nolva on cycle