Hey im new!cycle question?

[irippchainsaws]

i want to cut body fat. Ill be getting some winnie and test powder soon and im planning on
50mg\day winnie
100mg\day test prop
novladex pct
Is this going to lower my body fat significantly with some cardio of course or should i through some tren in the to like 100mg\eod?

also how much gains should i expect people say that winnie doesnt build muscle

[Dr Pepper]

What are your stats?

Age
Weight
Height
Bf%
training exp
Diet

[irippchainsaws]

body fat 33%

[Bertuzzi]

body fat 33%

You need to not worry about AAS yet with that high of BF. Focus on diet and cardio. If you run a cycle right now, your body will most likely respond very poorly to it.

[stack_it]

The aas is not what lowers your bodyfat. Cardio and most importantly proper dieting is what will do it. You need to do some research on dieting before you touch any aas. Otherwise you're wasting your money and possibly harming your body.

[Bertuzzi]

What are your stats?

Age?
Height?
Weight?
BF?
Training Experience?

[irippchainsaws]

260lbs 6` work out regular

[irippchainsaws]

squat 485
dead lift 675
dumbell bech 280

[Bertuzzi]

260lbs 6` work out regular

squat 485
dead lift 675
dumbell bech 280

That's all great, but you didn't answer all our question.

You are looking for a very thorough answer from us and we expect the same from you, so please answer all of our questions regarding your stats.

Thanks

[irippchainsaws]

Age? 24
Height? 6`
Weight? 260 lbs
BF? wtf
Training Experience? 6+ years lifting mom was ami bodybuilder

My diet is easy cut sugar and (simple?) carbs keep the oatmeal and lose the pancakes!

[Bertuzzi]

Age? 24
Height? 6`
Weight? 260 lbs
BF? wtf
Training Experience? 6+ years lifting mom was ami bodybuilder

My diet is easy cut sugar and (simple?) carbs keep the oatmeal and lose the pancakes!

Diet is not that simple and you need serious help. Follow that link that Stack_it posted and all your questions will be answered.

Good Luck on your Journey

[irippchainsaws]

DUDE i know what a diet is... my diet is generally good chicken, lots of brocolli veggies protien powder eggs lots of water blah blah... im just said i need to cut sugar and simple carbs. thats it. i was not sure and am still not sure what to call the different carbs .. I do know wich carbs to eat NOT PANCAKES why do you come hammerin at me...? ill be more complete next time this is my first forum..

[Neevor]

Spend some time here and look around you'll become addicted to learning about this.... as most of us have.

This is an awesome way to put this to a newb. Totally true. Nice work Bert.

DUDE i know what a diet is... my diet is generally good chicken, lots of brocolli veggies protien powder eggs lots of water blah blah... im just said i need to cut sugar and simple carbs. thats it. i was not sure and am still not sure what to call the different carbs .. I do know wich carbs to eat NOT PANCAKES why do you come hammerin at me...? ill be more complete next time this is my first forum..

DUDE.. maybe you do know what a diet is but the way your talkin sounds like you THINK you know, but you really dont know. Its not just about cutting out the pancakes homey. What about Trans fat vs Saturated fat vs Monounsaturated fat vs Polyunsaturated fat? Whats the difference between them and what are good sources for each? How do you get your Omega-3s? Is saturated fat bad for you (if you said yes you'd be wrong, it increases testosterone for one). What ratio of carbs to fats to protein should you get when you are dieting? When you are bulking? Which proteins are more bioavailable? What does bioavailable mean? How many times should you eat in a day and how many calories should you consume if you wanna loose 2 lbs a week (theres math to it). Whats the glycemic index for oats? white rice? sugar? an apple? Which kinds of protein should you consume before bed? After a workout?

There, if you can answer all those off the top of your head, then you KNOW WHAT A DIET IS. Otherwise, zip the lip and listen to his advice.. Gettin huge and ripped isn't about stabbing yourself with steroids. Its about knowing your shit when it comes to working hard and eating. You gotta have that on lock before you get anything out of test.

[Bertuzzi]

Damn it... I got Beat to the punch...

[stack_it]

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[irippchainsaws]

So you think i shouldnt cycle till i drop bf? what about a bulk cylce first?

[Bertuzzi]

So you think i shouldnt cycle till i drop bf? what about a bulk cylce first?

No cycling until you learn to diet and get control of that BF.... gotta get it under 15%

Bulk? Why would you bulk? You are big as it is. You need to lose that fat its that simple. Spend some time here and look around you'll become addicted to learning about this.... as most of us have.

I use to be 6'1 250lbs cut all the way down to 187lbs all naturally before starting my first cycle... It was a long hard road but sooooo worth it in the end. It's very rewarding

[stack_it]

So you think i shouldnt cycle till i drop bf? what about a bulk cylce first?

Don't cycle at all while your bf is that high.

Whether or not a cycle is a cutting or bulking cycle depends mainly on diet and if your idea of dieting is sugar and pancakes you have a lot to learn. Why would you bulk when you are already overweight? Get down to about 15% bf or less then consider aas.

[stack_it]

Beat me too it Bert. Looks like great minds think alike tho lol.

[lovbyts]

Listens to the gus above. I would just be repeating what they said.

[Big]

winny does not burn fat and would be a waste if over 10%bf

[irippchainsaws]

what will burn fat or at least help with endurance to do it?

[Big]

what will burn fat or at least help with endurance to do it?

personally the only time I recommend cutting compounds are when someone is trying to cut sub-10%bf, that's when it gets difficult for some. if you can't drop well below 26% naturally, you're doing something very wrong.