Tbol cycle concerns

[gdahustla]

Im starting me first tbol cycle to pack on a bit of extra mass and lean muscle.
Any gains, even small I keep will be good for me and i will be happy. I should be fine with calorie intake to maintain my new muscle because everytime I break a weight barrier my body makes me eat like iv never seen food before. The extra strength i get from the tbol will trigger insane eating for sure if i know my body correctly. I just gotta fill it up with loads of quality protein and good amount of carbs which should be fine.

I have just ordered enough tbol for a 6 week cycle and will be dosing at 10mg split evenly 3 times a day.
I weigh 9 stones and even if i put on a few pounds I will be happy with at least some progress. Im 30yrs old, 5ft7" and have a muscular build with a 6 pack and very little body fat although im not sure the exact percentage. I am very fit and healthy generally.

I have read loads of things about beginners in my weight class or close to starting on tbol so have decided to take this route. I wont take jabs so please save the "jabs are better advice" as iv heard it all before and oral is the only way ill take roids.

Also I dont want stupid gains so a Tbol by itself cycle should be more than enough for me. Iv read about mixing with test too many times and it does not intrest me as my goal should be achieveable with tbol alone.


I will be using Milk Thistle throuout and for PCT I will be using Clomid and Nolvadex for 3 weeks. I was going to use a little Armidex as well to help with water retention but as I understand I will not need it using tbol as i shouldnt retain much water if any.


Please could someone advise me of what mg of Clomid and Nolvadex I should use per week for my body size. I have scheduled an appointment with my doctor regarding this as it seems that experienced users are reluctant to help newbies who are starting out but any advice would be greatly appreciated as it will help me to back up whatever the doctor tells me. A second opinion from an experienced user will boost my confidence in my doctor I guess.

At the end of the day i have made my purchase now and will be starting my cycle as soon as it arrives. Theres no turning back now so would appreciate any advice if anyone is willing to help me.

[GymHero]

Im starting me first tbol cycle to pack on a bit of extra mass and lean muscle.
Any gains, even small I keep will be good for me and i will be happy. I should be fine with calorie intake to maintain my new muscle because everytime I break a weight barrier my body makes me eat like iv never seen food before. The extra strength i get from the tbol will trigger insane eating for sure if i know my body correctly. I just gotta fill it up with loads of quality protein and good amount of carbs which should be fine.

I have just ordered enough tbol for a 6 week cycle and will be dosing at 10mg split evenly 3 times a day.
I weigh 9 stones and even if i put on a few pounds I will be happy with at least some progress. Im 30yrs old, 5ft7" and have a muscular build with a 6 pack and very little body fat although im not sure the exact percentage. I am very fit and healthy generally.

I have read loads of things about beginners in my weight class or close to starting on tbol so have decided to take this route. I wont take jabs so please save the "jabs are better advice" as iv heard it all before and oral is the only way ill take roids.

Also I dont want stupid gains so a Tbol by itself cycle should be more than enough for me. Iv read about mixing with test too many times and it does not intrest me as my goal should be achieveable with tbol alone.


I will be using Milk Thistle throuout and for PCT I will be using Clomid and Nolvadex for 3 weeks. I was going to use a little Armidex as well to help with water retention but as I understand I will not need it using tbol as i shouldnt retain much water if any.


Please could someone advise me of what mg of Clomid and Nolvadex I should use per week for my body size. I have scheduled an appointment with my doctor regarding this as it seems that experienced users are reluctant to help newbies who are starting out but any advice would be greatly appreciated as it will help me to back up whatever the doctor tells me. A second opinion from an experienced user will boost my confidence in my doctor I guess.

At the end of the day i have made my purchase now and will be starting my cycle as soon as it arrives. Theres no turning back now so would appreciate any advice if anyone is willing to help me.

First welcome to the board! Are you running it at only 30 mg's a day for the whole cycle? You do not need adex for this cycle, tbol will give you clean lean gains with no water retention. For your pct if I were you I would run nolva only for 4 weeks.

[gdahustla]

Thanks for the welcome and the advice as it is greatly appreciated.
Yes I will be running at 30mg ed for the whole cycle.
Regarding PCT why Nolva only and not the Clomid as well as I have read a lot that both are needed for the most effective fastest PCT recovery time?
Any advice on how much Nolva advised for my bodyweight?

[GymHero]

Woah, you are only 126 lbs? You need food my friend, post your diet up please.

[Matt]

Thanks for the welcome and the advice as it is greatly appreciated.
Yes I will be running at 30mg ed for the whole cycle.
Regarding PCT why Nolva only and not the Clomid as well as I have read a lot that both are needed for the most effective fastest PCT recovery time?
Any advice on how much Nolva advised for my bodyweight?

Stop spending your time in this forum and spend more time in the diet forum. Everything you need for your goals is in the diet and training forums...

[gdahustla]

When I train and work hard my appetite increases increadibily if i break a weight barrier. I know if the tbol give me extra strenght i will break another barrier and eat like a pig to support the extra muscle. Thats just how my body works. It knows what it wants and tells me what to do as and when its needed. Ill hit the diet forum so at least ill be eating right but iv been down that path years ago and the suppliment path with no luck there.
I know diet, diet but you have to remember there are so many stories/blogs on the net of skinny guys who have done a course of tbol and put on like 4-6 lbs of solid muscle in a month and then maintained it through supporting their increased appetitie with the right foods and regular training.

Tbol is just a quick way to get there and loads of people are eating correctly but not enough and only after a tbol cycle does this change as your appetite is increased to support the new formed muscle. If you eat as and when your body asks for food then there is no reason why you shouldnt keep most of the gains and its being proven time and time again so when a guy who 200lbs tells me to just do it naturally u just think forget what he thinks as others skinny guys who can relate to my situation as doing the tbol thing and doing really well from it.

With all the skinny guy success stories out there on the net and weight being kept it makes it difficult for us skinny guys to say no. Ill still do the tbol but just look at the best diet for mysel also as thats part of the bodybuilding package if you want to be successful.

[stevey_6t9]

well your not going to listen so best of luck.

i bet you will lose your gains after pct.

[gdahustla]

I will start a log to show those like me if reported gains on tbol are true and whether it can be maintained over a long period. I cant see how so many people out on the net can be wrong as they have all had good results and maintained those. If wrong ill hold my hands up and be the first to admit it.

Ill put the log link below when i start and add picture and see whether i keep the weight months later and then i can show other beginners of how i did it if they want to follow suit.

I think thats only fair to all those who want the truth on this whole tbol thing and being a skinny muscleman. Bruce Lee was on steroids and he was skinny but had a crisp physique. Hes a perfect example of a skinny guy doing well off roids and looking crisp.

[stevey_6t9]

I will start a log to show those like me if reported gains on tbol are true and whether it can be maintained over a long period. I cant see how so many people out on the net can be wrong as they have all had good results and maintained those. If wrong ill hold my hands up and be the first to admit it.

Ill put the log link below when i start and add picture and see whether i keep the weight months later and then i can show other beginners of how i did it if they want to follow suit.

I think thats only fair to all those who want the truth on this whole tbol thing and being a skinny muscleman. Bruce Lee was on steroids and he was skinny but had a crisp physique. Hes a perfect example of a skinny guy doing well off roids and looking crisp.

so was brad pitt, taylor lautner and justin beiber.

really though, if you were smart you would take some time to fix your diet/training.

[gdahustla]

I will take time to fix my diet and training and didnt mean to attack steroid users with my comments. I dont want to offend anyone here and will take on the advice of all the experienced experts. I know most of you mean well but sometimes people arent satisfied without learning for themselves.
I will visit the diet training section and see where i can change my diet and training and then after a month of trying the new method if I see no results I will take the tbol path as i have made my purchase now.

[GymHero]

When I train and work hard my appetite increases increadibily if i break a weight barrier. I know if the tbol give me extra strenght i will break another barrier and eat like a pig to support the extra muscle. Thats just how my body works. It knows what it wants and tells me what to do as and when its needed.Ill hit the diet forum so at least ill be eating right but iv been down that path years ago and the suppliment path with no luck there. I guarantee the " diet " that you once had was terrible and thats why you got 0 gains.
I know diet, diet but you have to remember there are so many stories/blogs on the net of skinny guys who have done a course of tbol and put on like 4-6 lbs of solid muscle in a month and then maintained it through supporting their increased appetitie with the right foods and regular training. I was 137 lbs 2 years ago at 5 ' 10, I thought I new how to eat also and discovered this forum and spent a lot of time in the diet section. I am now 187 lbs after changing my diet and I still have not done any steroids. Change your diet and you can gain 4-6 lbs of lean muscle each month for the next year bro! AAS are just a shortcut and temporary happiness on the scale but once you come off you will lose EVERYTHING if you do not know how to eat.

Tbol is just a quick way to get there and loads of people are eating correctly but not enough and only after a tbol cycle does this change as your appetite is increased to support the new formed muscle. If you eat as and when your body asks for food then there is no reason why you shouldnt keep most of the gains and its being proven time and time again so when a guy who 200lbs tells me to just do it naturally u just think forget what he thinks as others skinny guys who can relate to my situation as doing the tbol thing and doing really well from it. You can start slowly by eating 1 extra meal a day and work your way up and your body will slowly adjust. There are also natty products out there to increase your appetite and slow down your metabolism.

With all the skinny guy success stories out there on the net and weight being kept it makes it difficult for us skinny guys to say no. Ill still do the tbol but just look at the best diet for mysel also as thats part of the bodybuilding package if you want to be successful.

" Success stories ", I have never seen 1 success story of someone under 130 lbs to do a cycle and keep any gains. You are obviously set on doing this, take this advice or you will just be wasting your money and lose all gains if your diet does not change, best of luck.



See bold.

[JBarron]

so was brad pitt, taylor lautner and justin beiber.

really though, if you were smart you would take some time to fix your diet/training.

Haha what?

[Atomini]

Tbol is crap for a first cycle. You can do what you want on test, it all depends on your diet. Better yet, you can do what you want by training naturally, not on juice. You can achieve that "crisp" look naturally, why would you mess with anabolics if your goals can be achieved without the use of anabolics?

30mg of tuinabol is a day is a crap dose if its run alone. I'm using turinabol right now at 40mg a day, but i'm using testosterone propinate and trenbolone acetate with it at the same time. Nearly all oral anabolics are supposed to be SUPPLEMENTARY to a base cycle that includes at least injectable testosterone. The purpose of my turinabol use is so that it removes SHBG from binding up my testosterone and trenbolone that is circulating in my system. I know 3 guys, just like you, who used turinabol-only cycles for their first cycles. They were all stupid kids that were 125-150 lbs at 6 feet or taller, and didn't know how to properly train OR eat, and they thought they could get what they wanted. They didn't. 2 of the 3 guys made strength and minor size gains on cycle, and they lost it right after. The 3rd guy didn't see anything because he was eating, and I quote, "2 meals a day, one of which was some noodle soup with 3 beef strips in it".

But anyways, you won't listen. You're going to waste your money, as turinabol is very expensive compared to other alternatives out there, AND for the goals you are looking for, you don't even NEED anabolics! You're also going to end up with a high chance of losing your gains after the cycle due to not having a proper base of naturally built muscle before you use the anabolics. You should take everyone's advice here, most of us have been at this game for far longer than you have.

[Necrosaro]

^T-bol is not crap for a first cycle since I did t-bol on my first cycle and enjoyed it quite a bit. However I will agree at 30mgs it is not worth it. T-bol was also quite affordable for the price. Not that I disagree with all you are saying he should be building up a base no doubt about that.

[gdahustla]

Ok, Ok im listening. You guys are the experts and I do respect and take in all the great information you have posted here. Im not a complete idiot like some here like to make out but have just tried so much stuff im fed up. GYMHERO I would love to hear what type of training and eating you had to do to to get from 137lbs to 187lbs to see if I can replicate similar results.

I have purchased the tbol now but will hold fire on use if i can make decent gains on a good diet and training program then whats the point of the roids. Im going for a diet and training change for the next few months to see if I can pack on some extra pounds. Not sure where to start though so im gonna do a lot of reading today and post a few questions on training regiemes and diet.

After a few months ill probably try the tbol anyway for the hell of it just to satisfy myself that I will loose all the gains I make. Its will feel confidence boosting for me just to be able to lift heavy weights for a while and see my body gets temorarily bigger so I have an image to work towards in the future. Im sure a lot of females would agree that it would be nice too see themselves nice and skinny even if it was for a short period of time just so they have something to motivate them to get that way naturally.

If anyone can post any links for any good skinny guy training programs to build up mass that would be great and I will even do a progress log with pictures for all the other skinny guys tempted by steroids and hype.
I only have time to train for 1 hour 3 times a week as I have 2 jobs and 2 kids which take up most of my time. While at work I can eat when I want though at my desk.

[junkiescumbag]

thats ok but make sure you eat man. and when you think your full eat some more