Off cycle...

[RAMWolff]

Hiya,

OK... end of next week I'll be going off of my little cycle.

I'm just going to give a run down of why I'm on anabolics and of course it will scare everyone away from helping me, seems to be the case at least in other threads but you shouldn't shy away from someone that's got health issues as we need advice too!

I'm HIV and HCV POZ.. 25 years.. yea, I do fine...

OK, so I was experiencing a bit of wasting a few months ago and started with some testosterone patches.. they did $HIT for me.. so I contacted some leads and got some good stuff. Testosterone, DBol and HGH.. I wanted to keep it simple and low dose to just bring my body weight back up to a reasonable level. I went from 158lbs (I'm 5' 10") so that was a bit too skinny for my tastes.. I'm now up to 171lbs and am about ready to go into an off cycle period of 6 weeks.

During this 6 weeks what should I do to maintain this weight? I know I will loose some but I'm hoping that I will not loose ALL of it! Sheesh.

Are there any supplements or fake steroids that may help me maintain it?? I still have a full bottle of the Deca 2000 I bought from the link above, yea it's fake but it did give me good energy so it may be one key to keeping the energy levels up. I'm ingesting about 3000 calories a day and will do my best to keep that up. I hit the gym 3 times a week and am there for 3 hours (cardio, core strengthening and weights in that order) works best for my schedule.

I take supplements to offset side effects from the HIV meds as well for my liver (I use Liv-52, 5 caps, spread out through out the day), Jarrow's 30:1 Milk Thistle (1 cap) and Planetary Herbals Bupleurum Liver Cleanse (2 tabs) as well as RAW Food based Vitamin and Mineral supplement, various oils and other herbs.

Any other advice will be greatly appreciated. I know some of the hard core body builders will look at my cycle and laugh their asses off, I'm not looking to be dissed by my measly cycle, I'm looking for advice on how to maintain what I've put on, so please respect that...

I was advised to stay on the HGH and not cycle off of that so that will remain as the one injectable I do. I do 5 days on, 2 days off as instructed. I do a thigh injection using insulin syringe.

Thanks for the help

Richard

[scotty51312]

maybe take a look into sarms. If your HIV positive do you really wanna stack all those compounds. AAS can compromise a healthy immune system. Whats your knowledge of PCT? Have you had bloodwork done? RBC count? WBC count? Why only 6 weeks off? Time on +pct equals time off.

[RAMWolff]

Haven't asked my doctor for all that info on my blood count, didn't think about that. I'll contact him for a copy of my last blood work, which we just went over a week ago...

I was stacking the HGH, Test and DBol. I had Deca in there but the acne was so horrid that I just couldn't take it so I dropped that out and it's tolerable.

I have both Nolvadex 20 mg and Aromasin 10 mg tabs but not dealing with any gyno right now, should I take that after the cycle is done then to offset that?? Both packs are 50 count each so not sure if that will be enough to last me for what ever I may need it for ....

Can you tell me a bit about SARMS. I buy from Ar-r but not sure about dosing if I were to get this. Is this something that I should consider for an off cycle and if so will one bottle last me long enough or should I get two? Mind you I go by the oral syringe in terms of cc's not all the other measurements... sorry, my brain can only deal with so much! LOL

6 weeks off was suggested to me since my body was so turned around and in a catabolic state. Might be turned around again now but I'm interested at this point to see where all this can take me and while money is available I'm going to go for it and see.

Oh and I LOVE DBol... OMG LOL

[MMArmour]

Love dbol huh??? You and me both brother. Anyways...diet is key in maintaining goals. Another means of keeping weight will be cut back on cardio depending on how intense those cardio sessions are. Have you considered cruising on a low dose test schedule to help maintain weight? As for sarms, I've read many mixed reviews. Sarms, or, selective androgen receptor modulators are basically an oral you take and it is suppose to activate your receptors in the same way as aas only without manipulating hormone levels. It is pricey however, has sides (namely vision), and has many mixed reviews. Other means of maintaining weight where diet is not going to do the work, for instance in ur situation w a wasting disease, you may consider a mild oral as well.

I don't mean this in any other way but to be helpful, but presumably you are not concerned w endogenous test shut down, and are concerned primarily w staying alive and keeping weight on...if it were me...id go on and stay on. Cruise and blast. Or in your case maybe the phrase cruise and coast could be a bit more adequate .

Hope that helps buddy. Stay up!

[Bonaparte]

maybe take a look into sarms. If your HIV positive do you really wanna stack all those compounds. AAS can compromise a healthy immune system. Whats your knowledge of PCT? Have you had bloodwork done? RBC count? WBC count? Why only 6 weeks off? Time on +pct equals time off.

Maybe, and that is debatable. However, being HIV positive, he hardly has a healthy immune system. It is well documented that AAS greatly increases bodyweight, immune function, and life expectancy for those with HIV/AIDs. Besides, who the hell cares about HPTA function when you're dealing with HIV wasting?

OP, I would just run test year-round and add in other compounds for around 10 weeks at a time. And hopefully nobody objects with some stupid shit like: "yeah, but don't you want to have kids?" or "don't stay on permanently, it's bad for your long-term health" since those aren't really concerns in your position.

[Bonaparte]

Love dbol huh??? You and me both brother. Anyways...diet is key in maintaining goals. Another means of keeping weight will be cut back on cardio depending on how intense those cardio sessions are. Have you considered cruising on a low dose test schedule to help maintain weight? As for sarms, I've read many mixed reviews. Sarms, or, selective androgen receptor modulators are basically an oral you take and it is suppose to activate your receptors in the same way as aas only without manipulating hormone levels. It is pricey however, has sides (namely vision), and has many mixed reviews. Other means of maintaining weight where diet is not going to do the work, for instance in ur situation w a wasting disease, you may consider a mild oral as well.

I don't mean this in any other way but to be helpful, but presumably you are not concerned w endogenous test shut down, and are concerned primarily w staying alive and keeping weight on...if it were me...id go on and stay on. Cruise and blast. Or in your case maybe the phrase cruise and coast could be a bit more adequate .

Hope that helps buddy. Stay up!

Thank you, a little bit of sense!

[RAMWolff]

I'm UP... LOL

Hmmm, I'm curious about SARMS now... lol

I will be on a bit of a cruise actually. With the HGH injections I'm also going to be using that silly patch my doctor prescribed to me, I've got a couple of months stored up and will continue to fill the scrip and keep it around.. it's only 5 Mg's a day but might help in concert with the HGH to do the work.

Can I ask you about DBol and your dosing? When I first started taking it my heart was thumping pretty hard with just 5mg's, 4 times a day. I dropped the night dose as I as loosing sleep so my last dose is around 7 PM at night and then I take my next at 7 AM... not the best at keeping the dosing even in the system but it's better than nothing. SO now I'm on my last two weeks of it and my body seems to have adjusted to it and my heart is going at a good pace again... so I'm up to 15mg's 3 times a day for a full 45 Mg's a day... I just wanted some quick feedback from you on what you do and how if your dosing throughout the day.... Yea, them pink pills are the BOMB... I feel very energetic and man... like an 18 year old in other ways! *wink* I want this info for next time I start up a cycle and want to hit it hard right off the bat so I can start gains sooner rather than inching my way up as I did on this starting cycle...

OK, off to the gym now... thanks so much for the help! :-)

PEACE!

[RAMWolff]

OH, didn't see the other posts below MMArmour's ...

Thanks much ..... I'm hardly sick though. I'm what's considered Healthy HIV HCV POZ... Wasting and energy were the only things that were getting to me.. that's fine now and hope to keep going up up up! Attitude is part of it, keeping positive. I meditate, that helps! :-)

[MMArmour]

I run my dbol @ 50mg/ed. Notice no heart problems like ur mentioning. Blood preasure does hike up a bit for me at that dose but strength gains r remarkable. Pumps are ****ing massive.

[laveycraft]

I don't mean this in any other way but to be helpful, but presumably you are not concerned w endogenous test shut down, and are concerned primarily w staying alive and keeping weight on...if it were me...id go on and stay on. Cruise and blast. Or in your case maybe the phrase cruise and coast could be a bit more adequate .

Hope that helps buddy. Stay up!

i too would stay on.

[RAMWolff]

OK, so the DBol run at 50mg/ed... so your not breaking the dosage down into doses you take throughout the day then, your just popping a full 50 Mg's before your gym time?? Hmmm, yea, that might make my heart freak out a bit ... lol I'm 5mg's less with taking @ 15 Mg's 3 times a day..

This is my first workout at this dose by the way, your right, the pump was unbelievable... I couldn't even bend my arms all the way up it was so pumped up and full. This guy that I talk to a bit was like "your bulking up, you look great" *blush* and *grin* lol

Hey Lavey... yea, I know, I SHOULD stay on but I have blood work to tend to in 2 months and I want my liver and blood to be clean for that... doc doesn't know I'm doing this... I look at it this way... my body, my decision.. but he would give me hell about it just the same so I'm trying to keep blood work dates towards the end of each off cycle so that any spike in liver enzymes is going to be from the patch. From what I hear HGH heals allot of stuff inside and outside the body so hopefully in time I'll be in even better shape and stuff like that won't matter as much but from what my guy tells me it takes up to a year for really noticeable results to show fully. I can be patient.

Thanks

[Bonaparte]

Hey Lavey... yea, I know, I SHOULD stay on but I have blood work to tend to in 2 months and I want my liver and blood to be clean for that...

You could cruise on 100-200mg of test per week and your doc would likely be none the wiser. It won't mess up your liver values, and your lipids shouldn't be bad, so long as you eat well, supplement with NAC and ALA (these help liver and lipids), and do some cardio.

[RAMWolff]

But then I'd be on Test continuously right? Wouldn't it be wise to let the body remember it's own way and rest from all the juice??

[Bonaparte]

But then I'd be on Test continuously right? Wouldn't it be wise to let the body remember it's own way and rest from all the juice??

It would if you wanted to remain fertile and all that...(which I'm pretty sure isn't a concern)
But if your number 1 priority is maintaining muscle mass and bodyweight, your best bet is a high-dosed TRT.

[RAMWolff]

OK, another concern for my off cycle... I just read that the DBol does produce a very high end Estrogen so should I be concerned at the end of next week when I go off of that about my gyno coming back or if it's not come back yet not to worry about it. Can't remember if gyno is an AFTER effect or an side effect that happens DURING a cycle...

Perhaps to stay on a bit of something on an off cycle the SARMS (Liquid S4 30mL 50mg/mL ) might be the way to go?? It's at least an oral... and I'm sure has a nice minty flavor to it LOL I would get that from Ar-r... if so how would I dose that out in relation to the oral syringe. Like a 1ml syringe full a day or something?

[Bonaparte]

OK, another concern for my off cycle... I just read that the DBol does produce a very high end Estrogen so should I be concerned at the end of next week when I go off of that about my gyno coming back or if it's not come back yet not to worry about it. Can't remember if gyno is an AFTER effect or an side effect that happens DURING a cycle...

Perhaps to stay on a bit of something on an off cycle the SARMS (Liquid S4 30mL 50mg/mL ) might be the way to go?? It's at least an oral... and I'm sure has a nice minty flavor to it LOL I would get that from Ar-r... if so how would I dose that out in relation to the oral syringe. Like a 1ml syringe full a day or something?

I don't know much about SARMs. But you'll want to run PCT if you come off, so gyno shouldn't be an issue. With aromatising compounds, you can develop gyno during or after the cycle.

[RAMWolff]

You could cruise on 100-200mg of test per week and your doc would likely be none the wiser. It won't mess up your liver values, and your lipids shouldn't be bad, so long as you eat well, supplement with NAC and ALA (these help liver and lipids), and do some cardio.

What's your suggestion dosage wise on the ALA and NAC? I can pick both up at my local supplement store as I need to go there today anyways...

[Bonaparte]

What's your suggestion dosage wise on the ALA and NAC? I can pick both up at my local supplement store as I need to go there today anyways...

Nac: 2-3 grams a day.
IDK about the ALA, as I've never taken it. I just know that it is good for your lipids.

[RAMWolff]

ah, OK... thanks for the advice! :-)