First cycle

[fleck]

Whats up guys, I need your advice.
In 3 months time I will be going away for vacation for ten days and I want to know what you think about the cycle I had In mind. I think you guys are going to say I dont have enough stuff but its all I have so here it is.

week 1-5 500mg sustanon (250 monday/250 thursday)

I will take my last shot the day I leave for vacation. I 'll be back (haha)ten days after this so I need your help on the right PCT.

I will only have nolvadex and HCG on hand so can someone try to help me plan out the correct dosages and for how long I need to run them.

I prefer to ask you guys bacause I know the people on here know wha theyre talking about and I wouldnt like to just guess.

Thanks guys

[fleck]

P.s I will have :

3x1500iu's of HCG and 30 x 20mg of Nolvadex
Thanks guys

[D7M]

You're right, you don't have enough.

What are your stats?

[jackiekok]

You seriously don't have enough.

[fleck]

well I have heard of 5-6 week mini cycles.
My qustion was on PCT
thanks

[HawaiianPride.]

Not with Sust^

You have enough gear to suppress your natural test production. The duration will not promote muscle growth by any means. Your BP will be unstable at 2 injections per week. Listen to what's been said. And don't forget your stats.

[fleck]

Not with Sust^

You have enough gear to suppress your natural test production. The duration will not promote muscle growth by any means. Your BP will be unstable at 2 injections per week. Listen to what's been said. And don't forget your stats.

Thanks Hawaiian,
Well what compound would you go with, I cannot go for more than 5 weeks though bearining in Mind.
Please could you lay out a 5 week clcle for me including PCT.
Much appreciated
FLECK

[HawaiianPride.]

I would help you out if you helped me out with your stats..

[michael tyson]

Thanks Hawaiian,
Well what compound would you go with, I cannot go for more than 5 weeks though bearining in Mind.
Please could you lay out a 5 week clcle for me including PCT.
Much appreciated
FLECK

you need to research and lay out your own cycle so you actually know what you're doing. this is your body you will be affecting, pretty important.

[fleck]

Hey,
Im 5''10 170lbs (ish)
Training for 11 years on and off, low body fat.
People have advised me to go with sus because it has little side effects.
I do also have dbol blue hearts at hand also.

[HawaiianPride.]

False on the side effect statement. Sust can do some damage if abused or if you are susceptible to estrogenic related side effects/MPB, bad BP/cholesterol/ ect..

I would bulk up to at least 190 before utilizing steroids. You've got the room to grow at that height, use nutrition to get there.

[fleck]

sus then

[fleck]

This was the kind of thing I was looking for
http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12221

[HawaiianPride.]

You have to understand how the Sustanon combination works to comprehend why it's useless at 5 weeks. There are compounds meant for short durations, and ones meant for long durations. Unfortunately you picked the wrong one.

[fleck]

well what compound would you go with for 5 weeks Hawaiin?

[D7M]

There's much more to short cycles than just using a short ester for a few weeks.

The most effective way is to diet down, and create a naturally anabolic environment for growth, then intensely blast away at your cycle for a few weeks.

Even if you got 5 weeks worth of prop, I don't think you'd be thrilled with the results.

Why don't you just get what you need to run a cycle, and run it after vacation.

As far as your PCT question. You could read the stickies, propose a PCT, and we'll critique it.

[fleck]

well praps i will run 250 evry week for ten weeks. Either way I cant get more sus.

[D7M]

I've seen studies saying you need at least 300mg/wk of test for muscle building.

Even when I'm on my weekly 200mg/wk, I still feel tight, but I don't think I make any significant gains.

Seriously, man. if you're going to do it; do it right.

Just wait to get more, instead of tossing together a crappy cycle.

[fleck]

Not with Sust^

''You have enough gear to suppress your natural test production.''

yes and...

''The duration will not promote muscle growth by any means''.

BS

''Your BP will be unstable at 2 injections per week''.
absolute trash

.

Ive heard of loads of people who have done similar cycles to that and have praised it with open arms why critc things with complete trash comments that have no truth to them.

a 1o week cycle would have EXACTLY the same pins, two a week as the five would so why would that give any more unstable bp levels or not promote muscle growth any less or more than a 10 weeker would.
ill do my cycle and have amazing results
thankyou

[gymfu]

no you wont

My first was 9 weeks. Too short. Didn't start feeling the test till week 4 and wasn't in full blast till week 6. Your going to be on just long enough to shut down your natty test and build VERY min anount of muscle.

[HawaiianPride.]

Because of its long-acting components, Sust is mostly used as a form of long-acting testosterone. It's is best utilized at multiple injections per week, (more than 2) to take full benefits of each ester, and avoid spikes in your blood pressure. The more frequent you pin, the more consistent the readings of your blood pressure will turn out. It's been proven on here through charts, and I've actually tested it on myself with Enanthate.

Now, if you want to take full advantage of the Steroid, you should cycle it properly. It takes the blend nearly 4-5 weeks take full effect due to it's structure, and your proposing to run it for that length.

You have been told multiple times that the cycle is too short, and yet you only quote me and decide to dispute with me. Is this personal? Or are you just upset that I'm telling you the harsh truth.

I've used Sustanon, I know how it works, and I know the best method to use it. If you don't want to take my advice, that's cool with me. But DO NOT try to come at me with "BS" this or "absolute trash" that, when you have absolutely no prior experience yourself.

I still stand by my original advice. Stick to nutrition and put on some quality weight naturally. Not to be a jackass but you are as skinny as a doornail dude. You have plenty of room to grow without the drugs.

[fleck]

Because of its long-acting components, Sust is mostly used as a form of long-acting testosterone. It's is best utilized at multiple injections per week, (more than 2) to take full benefits of each ester, and avoid spikes in your blood pressure. The more frequent you pin, the more consistent the readings of your blood pressure will turn out. It's been proven on here through charts, and I've actually tested it on myself with Enanthate.

Now, if you want to take full advantage of the Steroid, you should cycle it properly. It takes the blend nearly 4-5 weeks take full effect due to it's structure, and your proposing to run it for that length.

You have been told multiple times that the cycle is too short, and yet you only quote me and decide to dispute with me. Is this personal? Or are you just upset that I'm telling you the harsh truth.

I've used Sustanon, I know how it works, and I know the best method to use it. If you don't want to take my advice, that's cool with me. But DO NOT try to come at me with "BS" this or "absolute trash" that, when you have absolutely no prior experience yourself.

I still stand by my original advice. Stick to nutrition and put on some quality weight naturally. Not to be a jackass but you are as skinny as a doornail dude. You have plenty of room to grow without the drugs.

well do you think test e or cyp would be a better option?

[fleck]

No it was nothing personal, I do appreciate your critick and am thankfull you included reasoning behind it.
ALL i wanted was the best compound to use for 5 weeks leading up to my vacation.
It might mean that I have to buy more when I come back but now Im more confused than I was before.
how about 1-5 250mg test e?

[HrdGainer80]

How about you listen to everyones advice. Why don't you wait til you can do a proper cycle... And from your questions you obviously need to do some research, as test e and cyp are longer estered tests...

[fleck]

How about you listen to everyones advice. Why don't you wait til you can do a proper cycle... And from your questions you obviously need to do some research, as test e and cyp are longer estered tests...

how about I run 500 mg of sus a week for 5 weeks Mon & thurs, then commence PCT when the hell I like

[HawaiianPride.]

How about you don't make threads and ask questions to those of us who are wiser and have been down your path years ago when you have it stamped in your head what your already going to do.

[Brodon]

it would be better to do a short cycle by doing:

d-bol
test prop
tren
anadrol

[HawaiianPride.]

it would be better to do a short cycle by doing:

d-bol
test prop
tren
anadrol

Horrible advice. This is his first cycle and your advising 4 compounds? 2 of the harshest orals and the harshest injectable?

Please, refrain from advising unless you know what your talking about.

[fleck]

How about you don't make threads and ask questions to those of us who are wiser and have been down your path years ago when you have it stamped in your head what your already going to do.

Sir, I admit I maybe a little slap dash, although in some ways I want the best results for myself using the correct compounds and dosages, hence me trying to further knowledge myself in these boards.
I have come to the conclusion that I would be better continueing the cycle when I come back from vacation.I will just have a 10 day gap in the cycle in which space I will just have to load up on creatine and do my best without.

I have decided to (after carefull consideration) to use TEST E @ 500mg a week split up using 250mg on monay and thursday respectively for 10 weeks in total. For PCT i will wait 2 weeks and commence Nolvadex running it at 40/40/20/20.

Since I got such bad press from wanting to run sus for 5 weeks alone I have decided to go with a long ester as it requires less pinning and will allow me steady blood levels and BP.

Thankyou guys for your input, especially Hawaaiin Pride who I can see knows his stuff.

I will be going away on the 5th of november this year, so I will be starting it at some point before then, as I want to be as big and as ripped as possible for the day I go away.
People have told me that on week 5 you feel the best you do during a cycle but |I am undecided yet exactly on when to start this course, Iam 170lbs ish and hope to gain a good 20+ pounds,
Thanks guys
FLECKS

[Brodon]

Horrible advice. This is his first cycle and your advising 4 compounds? 2 of the harshest orals and the harshest injectable?

Please, refrain from advising unless you know what your talking about.

I wasn't suggesting him to take it all. I was suggesting alternatives to sust he plans on taking. If he wanted to do something short like 4-5 weeks he should try a short estered steroid cycle.

Alternatively he could just do a pure testosterone prop cycle and yield okay results.

[HawaiianPride.]

I see.

Even so, Tren on your first run isn't highly looked upon. My mistake for assuming you meant all though..

[dec11]

There's much more to short cycles than just using a short ester for a few weeks.

The most effective way is to diet down, and create a naturally anabolic environment for growth, then intensely blast away at your cycle for a few weeks.

Even if you got 5 weeks worth of prop, I don't think you'd be thrilled with the results.

Why don't you just get what you need to run a cycle, and run it after vacation.

As far as your PCT question. You could read the stickies, propose a PCT, and we'll critique it.

i agree with this, shortest cycle id run would be 8wks minimum, and thats with a short ester at that. sust would only be fully kickin in at 4-5wks in my exp of it

[smalltime7]

Hey,
Im 5''10 170lbs (ish)
Training for 11 years on and off, low body fat.
People have advised me to go with sus because it has little side effects.
I do also have dbol blue hearts at hand also.

his stats dont include age? odd.....he seems a bit immature to be cycling. IMO

[Sincity_666]

I don't mean to jump anyone's thread but I have researched for my first cycle alot and would like some suggestions. I am also limited on what I have.
Age 32
Height. 5'10
Weight. 174
Body fat. 12%

This is what I have and plan on running for first cycle ever.

Week 1-6
Test E (testoviron) 250mgs/week

Dianabol 20mgs/ED
Provironum 25mgs/ED (runs out week 7)

Week 7-10
Test E 250mgs/week

Week 12 PCT
Only have Nolvadex will run 20mgs ED for 30 days

Can't get anymore just want to know if this will work for a decent first cycle. Trying to gain 20 pounds and keep most of it.

[HawaiianPride.]

Make your own thread Sincity, you'll get more responses.