What about my 1st cycle!!?

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 08:14 AM

Ok been a long time lurker trying to educate myself and think I am now ready to ask for a bit of advice.

age: 24
14% BF
3 years training
166.6 lbs
5'10"

WEEK..wis(eod)......susta(ew).....proviron (ed).... ....tamo(ed)..........hcg (e5d)......clomid(ed)
1...........................500................... .................................................. ....
2...........................500.........25........ ......10.................500...................... ..
3...........................250.........25........ ......10.................500...................... ...
4..........................250.........25......... .....10.................500....................... ...
5..........................250.........25......... .....10................500........................ ..
6...........................250.........25........ .....10.................500....................... ....
7...........50.............250.........25......... ....10.................500.......................
8...........50.............250.........25......... .....10................500........................
9...........50...........................25....... ......10................500....................... ....
10..........50...........................25....... ......10................500....................... .......
11................................................ .......30........................................1 00
12................................................ .......20......................................... 50.
13................................................ .......20......................................... 50

All is in mg less the hcg is in UI
PTC week 11 , 12 , 13.

Any help or advice would be appreciated.THANK YOU!

**PistolStarta** · 08-29-2010, 08:17 AM

so your PCT is HCG and your taking whatever 500 of nolva is daily, and no clomid?

**PistolStarta** · 08-29-2010, 08:18 AM

OOhhhh I get it everything moves to the right one compound. Your running alot of HCG which probably isnt necessary at all for an 8 week 250mg sust cycle. If Im remotely reading it right.

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 08:26 AM

well I am going to do a front load the first 2 weeks with 500mg of susta and im thinking to upgrade the sust to 500mg all 8 week..im not sure

**PistolStarta** · 08-29-2010, 08:35 AM

I just realized your 5'10 166. You need to get your diet in check and put on at least I'd say 10-15lbs before considering it.

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 08:40 AM

Do you refer to gaining 10 15lbs only with the diet? or you mean whit the cycle whit 250mg sust?

**PistolStarta** · 08-29-2010, 08:47 AM

with diet

**scotty51312** · 08-29-2010, 08:49 AM

Front loading is not for beginners. You dont' know how your body is going to react. I'm 5'11-6' and I was 166 after getting sick and spending 8 weeks in and out of hospitals. I easily got to 200lbs without AAS if you can't get up to 185-190 without it, then there is definitley a diet issue

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 08:51 AM

well i will start the cycle n november..so im starting the diet of volume this month..i will gain 15 lbs for sure before the cycle...

EDIT: I was weighing before defining 184lbs or something else only with diet and supplements thats why i want to start the cycle right now...mmm you have reason i think about the front loading..im thinking to use only 250mg/w..

**scotty51312** · 08-29-2010, 08:54 AM

Best of luck to you but if i were you I'd run straight test or sust with no other compounds 500mg a week for 10 weeks just to see how your body reacts. Do more research on PCT between now and november. HCG alone is not enough for recovery.

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 09:03 AM

mmm i will research more on PTC but i thougt that whit HCG , Clomid and tamox is sufficient..im reading like 2 months insane..and i dont really know what cycle i will do...im tied...

**fleck** · 08-29-2010, 09:05 AM

i wouldnt bother running hcg during the cycle but thats me personally , iwould use it a week after your last shot @ 1500ius and then again 4 days later@1500ius
After that start your PCT

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 08-29-2010, 09:07 AM

Personally I do not think you are ready. You are 5'10" and only weigh 166 w/14% bf, far from ready imo. Diet is what I would be focusing my energy on because without that, any cycle you run will be in vein.

**scotty51312** · 08-29-2010, 09:10 AM

You probably won't need the HCG . Running tamoxafin durring cycle isn't nessesary and may hinder your progress. If you're worried about side effects order some Arimidex and keep on hand and don't use it unless you have symptoms. Drop the Proviron . Your cylcle shows you put thought into it but you're going in the wrong direction. Here just a suggestion
week 1-10 sust every other day 100mg week 12-16 nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50

Or if you can get it
test E 2x a week 250mg week 1-10 followed by the same nolva/clomid PCT weeks 12-16

**fleck** · 08-29-2010, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by scotty51312

You probably won't need the HCG . Running tamoxafin durring cycle isn't nessesary and may hinder your progress. If you're worried about side effects order some Arimidex and keep on hand and don't use it unless you have symptoms. Drop the Proviron . Your cylcle shows you put thought into it but you're going in the wrong direction. Here just a suggestion
week 1-10 sust every other day 100mg week **12-16 nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50

Or if you can get it
test E 2x a week 250mg week 1-10 followed by the same nolva/clomid PCT weeks 12-16

nice post

**fleck** · 08-29-2010, 09:16 AM

isnt it week 13 start pct which is 14 days after last shot?

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 09:18 AM

mmm 100mg sustanon eod during 10 weeks? interesting.. im spanish and here i never eared that cycle.. and isnt good for exit to the cycle use wistrol 4weeks?

thank you so much!!!!!!!!

**scotty51312** · 08-29-2010, 09:23 AM

yeah fleck your right i always forget to count week 10 and start thinking 12 is the PCT start but 14 days after the last injection

**fleck** · 08-29-2010, 09:24 AM

lol thought so its easily done..(on paper)

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 09:27 AM

im thinking about the cycle of susta of 10 weeks eod 100mgs and i think its a bad idea because susta is a roid that have "long live" nots like the wistrol that stay only 24h or smthing else..

**fleck** · 08-29-2010, 09:30 AM

long live nots??
24 hours?

**scotty51312** · 08-29-2010, 09:34 AM

ok I take back my advice ziknos. Find some reasearch in your own language, on test and different esters. Then find research on "safe first cycles" Then reasearch "Oral Steroid and side effects" Then look up the profile of "winstrol " And in the mean time read up on your diet. Because in my opinion you're not ready for a cycle.

**ziknos** · 08-29-2010, 10:09 AM

Im srry for my bad english, iam Spanish .. I say that the wistrol depot stay in the body a little time, unlike the sustanon that is of duration average - long thats why i dont uderstand to use sustanon eod..

**marcus300** · 08-29-2010, 10:17 AM

You need to sort your diet out and increase your weight/mass before cycling, this will take you many months to build this foundation.

You also need to go to the pct section and do alot more research.

You dont front load on your first cycle, no need for it and you also need to stick with one compound.