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    What does this look like to add some size?

    This would be my only and first cycle before I take the stage in 2011. So looking to gain quality size and nothing to harsh.

    Wk 1-4 D Bol 40mg ED, 500mg Test E WKLY, A Dex .5mg ED
    Wk 5-6 Test E 500mg WKLY, A Dex .5mg ED
    Wk 7-12 Anavar 60mg ED, Test E 500mg WKLY, A Dex .5mg ED
    PCT
    Nolva and Clomid for 30 days.

    Do I need to run A Dex the whole cycle or just while on D Bol?
    Also anything else I need for pct, Do I need to run A Dex through PCT as well... and how does everything look?
    What kind of gains should I expect from this cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty51312 View Post
    Stats

    Age? 21 Will be 22 when I start
    Height? 6'1.5
    weight? Highest 241 with like 13-15% bf. Now 202. 12 weeks away from an online comp
    Bodyfat%? 6-7
    Training expierience? 1 year
    ahhh forgot my bad...

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    This may be a typo but you said Test weeks 5-6, You plan on injecting test twice only?

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    Ok a few things to start with.
    1. Most members will agree 21 or 22 is still a bit to young to cycle. 25 being the recomended age
    2. AAS is a dramatic change in the physiology of your body. It takes some time training to build up your tendons and foundation. 2 years at a bare minimum. Before that and your muscles will be too strong for the tendons and you'll just end up sidelined with injuries.
    3 With that being said the cycle you have planned is an intermediate level cycle. Not a beginner one. Orals like Dbol and even milder Anavar doses still require liver support throughout cycling.


    I'm not advising you on what to take or how to take it cause i respect the sites values, but i will tell you that all the info that you want or need is on this site. You just have to look for it

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    I agree with scotty, I would not feel right about advising a 21 year old (but will be 22 soon) on how to take aas. Everyone wants the get big quick & easy pill, whats wrong with putting in the time and effort and doing it right? At the end of the day you would feel so much better about yourself.

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    You should pick up some great gains with that. I'm about to start damn near the same cycle in about two weeks.

    Age: 30
    Height: 6'2" 1/2
    Weight: 270
    BF: 10-12% ( Got a weakness for beer)
    TE: 12 yrs off and on

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOT MEAT View Post
    You should pick up some great gains with that. I'm about to start damn near the same cycle in about two weeks.

    Age: 30
    Height: 6'2" 1/2
    Weight: 270
    BF: 10-12% ( Got a weakness for beer)
    TE: 12 yrs off and on
    Please do not encourage a 21 yr old to use aas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty51312 View Post
    Ok a few things to start with.
    1. Most members will agree 21 or 22 is still a bit to young to cycle. 25 being the recomended age
    2. AAS is a dramatic change in the physiology of your body. It takes some time training to build up your tendons and foundation. 2 years at a bare minimum. Before that and your muscles will be too strong for the tendons and you'll just end up sidelined with injuries.
    3 With that being said the cycle you have planned is an intermediate level cycle. Not a beginner one. Orals like Dbol and even milder Anavar doses still require liver support throughout cycling.


    I'm not advising you on what to take or how to take it cause i respect the sites values, but i will tell you that all the info that you want or need is on this site. You just have to look for it
    I have liv 52 on hand for the cycle.
    On that note what are other support supplements that should be ran throughout the cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMRxCOMPLETEx View Post
    I have liv 52 on hand for the cycle.
    On that note what are other support supplements that should be ran throughout the cycle
    I find abstinence to be supremely beneficial...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O View Post
    I agree with scotty, I would not feel right about advising a 21 year old (but will be 22 soon) on how to take aas. Everyone wants the get big quick & easy pill, whats wrong with putting in the time and effort and doing it right? At the end of the day you would feel so much better about yourself.
    lol I didnt know I was going for that get big quick!
    Brb didnt know I wasnt putting in effort...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O View Post
    I find abstinence to be supremely beneficial...
    Wat you lookin like right now brah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMRxCOMPLETEx View Post
    Wat you lookin like right now brah?
    This is not about me... Just make good choices for yourself and don't take my responses for anything other then what they are: Concern for your long term health..

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMRxCOMPLETEx View Post
    This would be my only and first cycle before I take the stage in 2011. So looking to gain quality size and nothing to harsh.

    Wk 1-4 D Bol 40mg ED, 500mg Test E WKLY, A Dex .5mg ED
    Wk 5-6 Test E 500mg WKLY, A Dex .5mg ED
    Wk 7-12 Anavar 60mg ED, Test E 500mg WKLY, A Dex .5mg ED
    PCT
    Nolva and Clomid for 30 days.

    Do I need to run A Dex the whole cycle or just while on D Bol?
    Also anything else I need for pct, Do I need to run A Dex through PCT as well... and how does everything look?
    What kind of gains should I expect from this cycle?
    So you're going to be running this leading up to your competition? or will this be post-comp?

    If you're running this for the next 12 weeks, then this is how you would structure it:

    D-bol (weeks 1 - 4) @ 40mg/ed
    Test-Prop (weeks 1 - 12) @ 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod
    Winstrol (weeks 7 - 12.5) @ 50mg/ed
    A-dex (weeks 1 - 12) @ 0.25mg/eod

    ^^ replace the anavar with winstrol if it's right before a comp. Even at 60mg/ed anavar can take time to show results. Even with low BF%. Winny is much more efficient at creating a hard physique in less time IMO.

    If you're just looking for a bulker that will be run post-comp, then look into something along these lines...

    Test-E (weeks 1 - 12) @ 500mg/wk
    D-bol (weeks 1 - 4) @ 40mg/ed
    A-dex (weeks 1 - 13) @ 0.25mg/eod

    No need for the anavar IMO.

    Don't use the a-dex throughout the PCT. only use an AI while on cycle.

    Your combination of SERMS for the PCT look fine.

    Hope that helps.

    -VM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    So you're going to be running this leading up to your competition? or will this be post-comp?

    If you're running this for the next 12 weeks, then this is how you would structure it:

    D-bol (weeks 1 - 4) @ 40mg/ed
    Test-Prop (weeks 1 - 12) @ 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod
    Winstrol (weeks 7 - 12.5) @ 50mg/ed
    A-dex (weeks 1 - 12) @ 0.25mg/eod

    ^^ replace the anavar with winstrol if it's right before a comp. Even at 60mg/ed anavar can take time to show results. Even with low BF%. Winny is much more efficient at creating a hard physique in less time IMO.

    If you're just looking for a bulker that will be run post-comp, then look into something along these lines...

    Test-E (weeks 1 - 12) @ 500mg/wk
    D-bol (weeks 1 - 4) @ 40mg/ed
    A-dex (weeks 1 - 13) @ 0.25mg/eod

    No need for the anavar IMO.

    Don't use the a-dex throughout the PCT. only use an AI while on cycle.

    Your combination of SERMS for the PCT look fine.

    Hope that helps.

    -VM
    Now thats a helpful post.
    This wouldnt be leading right up to my competition. I was thinking about stepping on Stage in June, But then decided to give this online BB Contest a go, so this is setting my back on adding some size, before getting on stage.

    Looking to probably start 2 week of Dec if everything goes as planned. So 12 weeks from Dec 6th would be Feb 28th. So in-between March and June is the time Id spend getting ready to take the stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMRxCOMPLETEx View Post
    Now thats a helpful post.
    This wouldnt be leading right up to my competition. I was thinking about stepping on Stage in June, But then decided to give this online BB Contest a go, so this is setting my back on adding some size, before getting on stage.

    Looking to probably start 2 week of Dec if everything goes as planned. So 12 weeks from Dec 6th would be Feb 28th. So in-between March and June is the time Id spend getting ready to take the stage.
    I see. So you're basically looking to use this cycle as a bulker? and then you're going to do a natural cut prior to competition? (is that all correct?)

    I've seen your pictures before, and know you're very lean. So I see no problem with using anabolics in the months prior to the comp, and then doing a natural cut for the last 8 - 12 weeks leading up to it.

    IMO, you should just do the D-bol & Test-E cycle that I laid out for you. Don't bother with the winstrol , since you won't be technically 'cutting' at that point. Focus on the bulk for the first 12 weeks while on cycle. And then after that transition your focus to the natural cut, while perhaps incorporating something like thermogenics into the mix to aid shedding those last BF digits.

    ^^ Hopefully this isn't coming off like a lecture. It's just how I would tackle the prep.

    Hope that helps,

    -VM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    I see. So you're basically looking to use this cycle as a bulker? and then you're going to do a natural cut prior to competition? (is that all correct?)

    I've seen your pictures before, and know you're very lean. So I see no problem with using anabolics in the months prior to the comp, and then doing a natural cut for the last 8 - 12 weeks leading up to it.

    IMO, you should just do the D-bol & Test-E cycle that I laid out for you. Don't bother with the winstrol , since you won't be technically 'cutting' at that point. Focus on the bulk for the first 12 weeks while on cycle. And then after that transition your focus to the natural cut, while perhaps incorporating something like thermogenics into the mix to aid shedding those last BF digits.

    ^^ Hopefully this isn't coming off like a lecture. It's just how I would tackle the prep.

    Hope that helps,

    -VM
    No this is exactly what I was looking for and is helping me out a lot.

    Yeah Id be cutting naturally since I wont have that much time off a cycle and doing another one before June would be to soon obvs. Maybe later in the year whenever I decide to do another show Ill like to run a cutting cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    So you're going to be running this leading up to your competition? or will this be post-comp?

    If you're running this for the next 12 weeks, then this is how you would structure it:

    D-bol (weeks 1 - 4) @ 40mg/ed
    Test-Prop (weeks 1 - 12) @ 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod
    Winstrol (weeks 7 - 12.5) @ 50mg/ed
    A-dex (weeks 1 - 12) @ 0.25mg/eod

    ^^ replace the anavar with winstrol if it's right before a comp. Even at 60mg/ed anavar can take time to show results. Even with low BF%. Winny is much more efficient at creating a hard physique in less time IMO.

    If you're just looking for a bulker that will be run post-comp, then look into something along these lines...

    Test-E (weeks 1 - 12) @ 500mg/wk
    D-bol (weeks 1 - 4) @ 40mg/ed
    A-dex (weeks 1 - 13) @ 0.25mg/eod

    No need for the anavar IMO.

    Don't use the a-dex throughout the PCT. only use an AI while on cycle.

    Your combination of SERMS for the PCT look fine.

    Hope that helps.

    -VM
    are you serious?! he's TOO YOUNG

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    At least let the guy do the reaserch for himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by dec11 View Post
    are you serious?! he's TOO YOUNG
    OH NOOOOOOOOS.

    No bodybuilders startd in their teens

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    Its your choice, just be prepared for the consequences.. I'll say no more about it, I'm sure you are tired of me chiming in. GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMRxCOMPLETEx View Post
    OH NOOOOOOOOS.

    No bodybuilders startd in their teens
    see you back when your having dick probs

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    Quote Originally Posted by dec11 View Post
    see you back when your having dick probs
    Will do sir!

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    Can you post up a pic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolStarta View Post
    Can you post up a pic?
    Brb training NATTY only since Nov 09, Making great progress, but not giving any effort

    Nov 09



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    Recent Pics at like 212

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=441344

    Video at 202-204 2 days and and pics from yesterday in the sweats. One in blue shorts maybe taken a week ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms08HDcpgrw





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    One maybe 2 weeks ago at 208 maybe

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    Sometime in July when I cut, before I knew Id be doing this contest thing. 216ish I think





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    Bulk Mode... High 220 I believe in this. June sometime






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    Feb weighed 220+ but def not as big as June 220+... More progress, but "im just looking for a get big quick plan and no effort"





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    So that shows you I aint just bullshittin in the gym.
    My diet is 100 Proof. I believe aint no one out dieting me, yes I know their are, but im in a zone right now. I cook every meal, every night, same shit day in and day out. I dont ask my girlfriend to cook it for me why cause I want it prepared how I like it and where it meets my nutrients.

    Get tired of every thread ppl gotta bash because of age.

    Also started in Nov 09 at anywhere between 235-240 and then cut to 205 by Jan. And from there its been no looking back.

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