2nd Cycle - Advise

**ms17001** · 08-29-2010, 12:11 PM

Age: 26
Weight: 175
Height: 5'6
BF%: 15-17%
Experience: 6 Years
Goal: Thick but defined

My brother and I are getting ready to start our 2nd cycle and i am having trouble on deciding what to order. His goals are to get as big as possible, where i would just like to be more defined. I wouldn't mind putting on 10lbs of lean weight but 30-40lbs i want to avoid. the original plan was Dbol 50mg/day along with test e 750/week(2). I actually already have enough dbol for 5 weeks on hand and am getting ready to make the rest of my order this week.

I've heard great things about propinate, but am still kinda new to the pinning thing and don't know about sticking the shoulder and EOD pins in general. But i was thinking about going with a shorter cycle that would look something like this:

1-8 Test Prop 700mg/week
1-8 Anavar 60mg/day

Because i already have the dbol and have heard so much about how prop hurts i am torn. It's funny i was so scared of pins before i started my 1st cycle, but now i cant wait to stick myself. The Ethanate was pain free at 2x/week, do you think I'll be able to man up and go with the prop on just my second cycle? I have been reading a lot about Anavar and want to incorporate it into this cycle (Winstol caused me problems last cycle). I was thinking this may be a better cycle for me.

1-4 Dbol 50mg/day
1-12 Test e 750mg/week
6-14 Anavar 60mg/day
*Adex throughout to avoid bloating and sides.

So you know my goals, please vote which cycle you think would be best for me. Feel free to add in any advise you may have or add in other substances that may be beneficial (proviron ?). Anyway any and all advise is appreciated. Thanks

**glover** · 08-29-2010, 12:25 PM

Since this is your second cycle just go with your original plan the Enthan and Dbol . It is a good basic plan all beginners should try. You will not probably not gain 30 - 40lbs.

Save the Anavar for a prop anavar cycle for maybe your third.

**scotty51312** · 08-29-2010, 04:42 PM

no point just going 8 weeks cause you won't see any results till around the 4th week anyway. I'd run at least 10

***RAGE*** · 08-29-2010, 05:06 PM

I like the test e and dbol for 12 weeks, cant go wrong with that one.

**big_ron** · 08-29-2010, 05:25 PM

dont run the test at 750mg. keep it at 500mg since this is your second cycle, the dbol and anavar will give you some good gains,
whats was your 1st cycle?
what pct have you got planned?

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 08-29-2010, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by *RAGE*

I like the test e and dbol for 12 weeks, cant go wrong with that one.

x2 plus you already have the dbol . I'd do the 2nd cycle listed personally.

**GTL** · 08-29-2010, 05:52 PM

**Had to make a new user name, it kept saying i did not have the right permissions after changing my email address.

Big_Ron: to be completely honest my 1st cycle i started with 500mg/week and finished doing probably close to 900mg/week. i paid the price for this, during PCT got terrible acne of the shoulders and back from fluctuating hormones. I learned my lesson and will def be sticking to 500 or 750 not putting more in the pin just to completely finish the bottle. Lol. Anyway, my PCT for this one is gonna be the same as last time

Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Big_Ron & Peaches, are you both in agreement that i should incorporate the Anavar ?, or do you think i should save it for a different cycle like Glover?

I'm worried that 500mg/week of Test wont be enough??

**ms17001** · 08-29-2010, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by GTL

**Had to make a new user name, it kept saying i did not have the right permissions after changing my email address.

Big_Ron: to be completely honest my 1st cycle i started with 500mg/week and finished doing probably close to 900mg/week. i paid the price for this, during PCT got terrible acne of the shoulders and back from fluctuating hormones. I learned my lesson and will def be sticking to 500 or 750 not putting more in the pin just to completely finish the bottle. Lol. Anyway, my PCT for this one is gonna be the same as last time

Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Big_Ron & Peaches, are you both in agreement that i should incorporate the Anavar ?, or do you think i should save it for a different cycle like Glover?

I'm worried that 500mg/week of Test wont be enough??

Fixed now! btw my first cycle weeks 10-12 Winny 60md/day. Really dried me out and i actually got bad shin splints from it. If i ever do it again it will only be for 2 weeks

**ms17001** · 08-30-2010, 05:24 PM

anyone?

**Aizen Sosuke** · 08-30-2010, 06:49 PM

If you wanna lean out then prop 150mg/eod with anavar 60-80mg/day for 8 weeks plus clean diet and cardio. If you wanna bulk then test e at 750mg/week for 10-12 weeks and dbol at 40mg/day for 4 weeks. Don't try to bulk and burn fat at the same time. Do one or the other.
As far as your acne try the following:
Exemestane 12.5mg/eod throughout the cycle
PCT as follows
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/10
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25

Also keep some accutane on hand and if you see signs of a breakout begin dosin at 10mg/day.

**big_ron** · 08-30-2010, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by GTL

**Had to make a new user name, it kept saying i did not have the right permissions after changing my email address.

Big_Ron: to be completely honest my 1st cycle i started with 500mg/week and finished doing probably close to 900mg/week. i paid the price for this, during PCT got terrible acne of the shoulders and back from fluctuating hormones. I learned my lesson and will def be sticking to 500 or 750 not putting more in the pin just to completely finish the bottle. Lol. Anyway, my PCT for this one is gonna be the same as last time

Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Big_Ron & Peaches, are you both in agreement that i should incorporate the Anavar ?, or do you think i should save it for a different cycle like Glover?

I'm worried that 500mg/week of Test wont be enough??

i think the anavar is up to you man, an optional extra
but please dont think that more gear = more size.
even for a second cycle i think you will get awesome growth out of
test 500mg PW 12weeks
dbol 40mgPW 1-4
but thats just me

**ms17001** · 09-01-2010, 10:27 AM

Thanks for the advise guys. I'm going to go with the Ethan and pickup the Anavar . Dont know if i will end up using it but at least i will have it. I think i will plan the Prop Var 8 week cycle for April 11' just before summer comes around again. Or who know i might just throw it in at the end of this cycle. Haha. Until next time!