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    Hello to everyone on the forum. I have come here to gain some knowledge and insight from veteran members in regards to my first cycle.

    About myself, I am a 27 Japanese and Polish male, 5'10", 190lbs, and my body fat percentage is currently unknown. I have been semi-consistently training for ten years. Over the ten years, I have learned a lot about what to do and how to do it properly, in addition, to finding out what I should never do.

    I have recently decided to start my first 10 week cycle which consists of Testosterone Cypionate, Equipoise, and HCG.

    Weeks 1-4 : Test Cypionate-250mg bi-weekly & Equipoise-250mg bi-weekly

    Weeks 5-10 : Test Cypionate-250mg bi weekly & HCG-250iu bi-weekly

    I did a few weeks of research and came to the conclusion that this would be an optimum first cycle.

    I hope that everyone and anyone can give me feedback on this cycle.

    In addition, I am a bit confused on PCT, specifically what I should be using, and when I should begin and end.

    Thanks to everyone that can help. I am looking forward to beginning this cycle and keeping everyone informed on my progress.

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    Test only 10 weeks 400-500mg per week
    AI on hand to combat esre's/bloat
    HCG is unnecessary unless testicular atrophy occurs. If so 250iu EOD up until PCT
    PCT should consist of 2 SERMS. Read the PCT stickies, it'll give you the dosage and duration you need.
    Blood work pre-cycle/post-pct

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
    Welcome

    Test only 10 weeks 400-500mg per week
    AI on hand to combat esre's/bloat
    HCG is unnecessary unless testicular atrophy occurs. If so 250iu EOD up until PCT
    PCT should consist of 2 SERMS. Read the PCT stickies, it'll give you the dosage and duration you need.
    Blood work pre-cycle/post-pct
    Hey, thanks for the reply. So I should be strictly using Testosterone Cypionate for the 10 week cycle and not the Equipoise correct? I was planning on using the HCG towards the end of the 10 week cycle as a transition to PCT. What do you mean by AI? Sorry, I'm kind of a novice to all of this. I will definitely look into the PCT stickies. Thanks.

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    aromatase inhibitor- dex, letro, etc

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    I looked over the PCT Sticky and consulted with a friend who is on his second cycle and I have come to the conclusion that the HCG towards the end of the 10 week cycle in addition to the PCT outlined below 14 days after the last injection should be sufficient in regards to deterring gyno . Does anyone agree? Thanks.

    PCT Outline -

    Week 7-12 : HCG 250iu bi-weekly

    PCT Week 1-3 : 40mg Nolvadex ED and 200iu Vitamin E ED
    PCT Week 4-5 : 20mg Nolvadex ED and 200iu Vitamin E ED
    Last edited by Mike Shinoda's Twin; 08-30-2010 at 02:34 AM.

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    Being that this is my first cycle, I really want to try and have everything planned very well so I can be as safe as possible from any adverse effects of not having a solid post cycle therapy set up. I really do appreciate everyone's help on this. Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Shinoda's Twin View Post
    Hey, thanks for the reply. So I should be strictly using Testosterone Cypionate for the 10 week cycle and not the Equipoise correct? Correct. I was planning on using the HCG towards the end of the 10 week cycle as a transition to PCT. Not necessary on a Test only cycle, UNLESS testicular atrophy occurs. What do you mean by AI? Aromatase Inhibitor; something to combat estrogenic related side effects/bloat Sorry, I'm kind of a novice to all of this. I will definitely look into the PCT stickies. Thanks.
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    Test 1-10 500mg PW
    HCG 4-12 250iu EOD if you must
    Aromasin on hand. 10mg EOD
    PCT when half life is up
    Clomiphene 100/100/50/50
    Tamox 40/40/20/20

    HCG is meant for pre-PCT, not during.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
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    Test 1-10 500mg PW
    HCG 4-12 250iu EOD if you must
    Aromasin on hand. 10mg EOD
    PCT when half life is up
    Clomiphene 100/100/50/50
    Tamox 40/40/20/20

    HCG is meant for pre-PCT, not during.
    Thanks for all the info. Just one thing, should the Aromasin be taken throughout the 10 week cycle?

    Also, in regards to the Clomiphene and the Tamox (Nolvadex), what do you mean by xxx/xxx/xxx/xxx? Is that the dosage per week for PCT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Shinoda's Twin View Post
    Thanks for all the info. Just one thing, should the Aromasin be taken throughout the 10 week cycle? For prevention, yes. Or you could wait until symptoms arise, your choice.

    Also, in regards to the Clomiphene and the Tamox (Nolvadex), what do you mean by xxx/xxx/xxx/xxx? Is that the dosage per week for PCT? Each number represents how much you take per day, each slot represents 1 week.
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    Weeks 1-4 : Test Cypionate-250mg bi-weekly & Equipoise-250mg bi-weekly

    Eq needs to be run for a lot longer than 4 weeks just drop it and run test for your first cycle so you know what sides (if any) are from which drug.

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    Knowing your BF % would help a lot. If its over 15% you are setting yourself up for estrogen related side effects. What's your waist size? Max bench? Max squat?

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    I really want to thank everyone who have been very helpful considering how new I am to all of this. I have done some more research and have spoken with my supplier with what he has available for me to utilize during my first cycle and what other options are available to me.

    I have decided to run a 12 week cycle of Testosterone Cypionate at 300mg every 4 days and then utilize 20mg Nolvadex 100/80/80/60 for PCT.

    Unfortunately, the HCG that I was planning on running weeks 9 through 14 and the Arimadex, if I needed to incorporate intra-cycle, is not available to me.

    Does everyone think that running 20mg Nolvadex 100/80/80/60 for PCT is adequate enough? Also, what other alternatives do I have for AI's during the cycle if that situation arises?

    Once I get this first cycle planned out, as close to perfect as possible, I will be logging everything for everyone to see. Once again, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKO Performance View Post
    Knowing your BF % would help a lot. If its over 15% you are setting yourself up for estrogen related side effects. What's your waist size? Max bench? Max squat?
    Currently, I am teetering around 17%, but I am not starting this cycle for at least another month or two. By that time, I should be at or slightly below 15%.

    My waist size is 32 and when I go to the gym and workout, I do what I do and have never really logged my max's on anything. I just put up as much weight as I can without compromising my form or tempo.

    For the past year, I have be focusing mainly on negative reps and pyramid sets until failure. This approach has worked very well for me and I plan on using it during my cycle. As far as my diet goes, very clean, no cheat days, 60/30/20 macro (P/C/F), and eating every four hours has done wonders for my gains.

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