My cycle so far, Q & A

[FuriousFloww]

This is my first cycle i have done, 20 years old
Started at 6"2 162lbs 7-8%bf now i am almost 180 9%bf and still have 2 more weeks left.

i know i may seem skinny but even before cycle at 162lbs being 6"2 with no fat i could still curl 100lbs bb, bench 200 , deadlift 250, db row 110's, squat 225 and so on

I began my 12 week cycle with Ultra test 350 (vet supply) 700mg/EW and then when my 2 bottles ran out i got 2 more of Sust 250 and am on my last bottle as of yesterday running 1000mg/EW

I plan to do my pct mid September:
HCG and Nolvadex


I have seen the strength gains i want but not so much for size, i am young in my early twenties and have a metabolism through the roof but i am getting about 3-4000 cals a day and at least 300gs protein per day/ 4 shakes a day 50g each shake, i do not drink, and eat healthy foods in big amounts and every 2-3 hours.

Questions:
What do you think about my cycle and eating and how could i improve it next time?
What should i do for pct regarding dosage and time length? how do i keep my gains?
How long till i can do another cycle?
My next cycle i want pure bulk ( test e/deca/eq/a-50 or dbol) what are your thoughts on this?

If u can answer any of these thatd would be appreciated, i am new and willing to learn all i can for my next cycle

[PistolStarta]

even at 180lbs your still loooow on mass.

[big_ron]

i think you need to do some more researched and that u stuffed your 1st cycle up royally.
1000mg of test for a 1st cycle is way overboard 500mg is standard
some may also say you are to young please read
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

this is the info you should need on a basic 1st cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[Sector]

You need to read up on PCT on these forums. In addition, you need to read up on why it is incredibly stupid to cycle at the age of 20. You can really screw yourself up by doing this. As far as PCT, drop the HCG and go with clomid/nolva. Do a little research and you will see why I reccomend this and what dosage to take.

[Twin]

Lets see some b4 and after pics

[spoken_truth]

even if it was ok to cycle at 20 why on earth are you running that much test on your first cycle?

[Bonaparte]

This is what NOT to do. You have no idea how to eat or train and it shows. Quit using gear and focus on getting the basics down for a few years before even thinking about AAS again.

[FuriousFloww]

Thanks for the help, i know im too young of course but i wanted to anyways, just like the 100 other 20 and 21 yr olds i know doing it, its tempting to not do it when your life consists of eating, working out and working and working out.

i still have one bottle left so should i bring it down to 500mg ew and spread it out over all of september? i went with the amateur mind sent, more test = better lol now i know

the strength is unbelievable though, when ppl see this 6"2 only 180lb guy with no fat at the gym curling the bench bar with a 45lb plate on each side then benching over 2 plates and squating 3 and so on, it mkaes me feel great and just the feeling of it, im a really laid back and happy guy but this stuff makes me 10x more

when im off cycle im really just gunna have to up the cals i guess 5k a day? and more protein like 2gs per pound of body weight

if anything its tought me disipline, i was an alcoholic 4 time sa week partyn n drinkin, havent had a sip of alcohol in 3 months ans going to bars sober isisnt fun but i still do it lol im atg the gym mon-fri with sat and sun off and i ntrain seriously with 2 of my brothers firends currently in IFBB contests yearly

[FuriousFloww]

ill try to put up some pics once i get my cam fixed next week

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

This is what NOT to do. You have no idea how to eat or train and it shows. Quit using gear and focus on getting the basics down for a few years before even thinking about AAS again.

^x2! I'm sorry to be another Debbie Downer but seriously? You do not know even the basics regarding training and diet but yet you still embark on things like aas.

Well I guess we will see you back here when you have dick issues...

[Numb uK]

^x2! I'm sorry to be another Debbie Downer but seriously? You do not know even the basics regarding training and diet but yet you still embark on things like aas.

Well I guess we will see you back here when you have dick issues...

Try to listen to the guys man, Fuzz is right. You are definitely putting yourself at risk. Your growth plates probably won't have even stopped yet.

[FuriousFloww]

yea i get it but im already 10 weeks in, cant go back in time and NOT juice so i dnt really care or need to know what i DID wrong but rather what i can do better in the future for training/diet and another cycle

btw no sides yet, just minor acne but hardly noticble

[FuriousFloww]

im not sure what u mean by " i dont know the basics of diet and training" when i was not on juice i gained weight consistantly and gained strength and endurance in all my weight exercises wether it was going up 2.5 lbs a week or 5 and 1 pound gained a week or half a pound so if thats not knowing the basiscs then i dnt know what is, its bodybuilding not bodyunbuilding, im confused but please clarify what u mean, thanks!

[Numb uK]

im not sure what u mean by " i dont know the basics of diet and training" when i was not on juice i gained weight consistantly and gained strength and endurance in all my weight exercises wether it was going up 2.5 lbs a week or 5 and 1 pound gained a week or half a pound so if thats not knowing the basiscs then i dnt know what is, its bodybuilding not bodyunbuilding, im confused but please clarify what u mean, thanks!

If you had no problem gaining weight, strength and endurance naturally, why are you using aas?

[FuriousFloww]

it wasent fast enough for me lol, plus the feeling on it is great ( look, emotions, sex e.t.c)and it help me quit drinking and doin rec drugs

also its just too tempting to someone whos life evolves around the gym and now im in college for fitness and health/personal training

simply put, the positives outweighed the negatives.

[FuriousFloww]

what do you think about test e/ deca and eq/ dbol for a nice bulk cycle, my next one of course

[SomeRandomGuy]

Omg, a gram of test per week and you're benching 200. I benched 225 for 32 reps naturally. Well of course I weight 60 more pounds than you, so that might have helped. Really I'm just jealous because I want your metabolism. I have to work hard as hell to keep the lard off, but I don't have a problem gaining muscle or unfortunately, fat.

But if it's strength you want, you could get a hell of a lot stronger than the numbers you listed without any gear. I'm no endocrinologist, so I won't tell you what to do at age 20 (not that what you're doing is a good idea), but make sure the pct is good after.

[Matt]

You need to learn how to eat, and train correctly...

Continuing with aas at this stage may cause you serious long term damage...

[airguard0909]

If you had no problem gaining weight, strength and endurance naturally, why are you using aas?

i had the same question!

[Sicko]

Amazing how stubborn you are when your 20..Damn I dont remember being so arrogant..Listen if you just quit drinking and rec. drugs for this "cycle" your on then you have no idea your natural potential with your system being clean. drugs and alcohol diminish the bodies ability to grow productivly.With the levels of aas you were doing you had better do a good pct and seriously consider some time off to let your body get back to hopefully normal...Good luck I hope everything is good with you....

[FuriousFloww]

my pct will be intense after and thorough, i know the importance of one if you wnana keep doing aas, and i only did 1gram test per week for a bit, i cut it down to 500.

[FuriousFloww]

i undertsnad ur point of view, im just saying this first cycle opened my eyes to how important naturaL growth and traning till your about 24-26 really is, as for long term damage im too stubborn to care lol lifes too short to ride the bench, i just wanted help on my idea for a next cycle and how long should i wait in between? i have basic knowledge im just on here and these forums to get 5th or 6th opinions

[marcus300]

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

[FuriousFloww]

my metabolism is fuked to say the least haha, i tracked my calories for 4 weeks, everyhting i ate i wrote down and how much e.t.c, at this time i was eating about 5-5500 cals a day with 300-32- gs of protein, 4 weight gainer shakes a day sometimes 5 lol, and i gained 2 lbs each weel, then the next day after that week was over i woke up and was back down 2 lbs lol, even gettin up in the middle of the nioght for a shake didnt help haha

[FuriousFloww]

thnaks man i already know this but i do it anyuways thats the thing, so i know 100 percent the risks but i do it, just like drug users, drunk drivers, smokers, cops going to work e.t.c

[FuriousFloww]

i just wantged help on what poeple thought of my next cycle and on this one how long do u want to wait if i do proper pct, hcg and nlovadex for a month or so

[FuriousFloww]

keeping what u have all said in mind, i know im tooo young and i know the consequences and the science behind it, but thnaks for the help, my doc said the same stuff lol

much love from Canada fellow juicers haha

[marcus300]

I doubt anyone here will advice someone at your age to cycle, there isn't a correct way to cycle at your age, you can cause yourself damage for the rest of your life. No matter if your going to do it or not I still have my principles and morals to try and give the best advice I can from my experience, for you its not to cycle.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

i just wantged help on what poeple thought of my next cycle and on this one how long do u want to wait if i do proper pct, hcg and nlovadex for a month or so

hcg and nolva are not a proper PCT and you are already thinking of the next time.. You need to wise up and FAST, I say that out of respect for you.

[Sicko]

if you are hellbent on this course of action at least go and get your bloodwork done so that you can post your results here.I am sure some of the Vets will be able to help you see where you stand.Test levels etc....Then you can make a better decision on when and if your body is able to withstand another cycle and how much work/pct it will take, if possible to get your system functioning at a safe levels......

[MBMETC]

You havn't drank in 3 mos but have been jucin 2 and a half months and havn't seen gains..hmmm i can't understand why

[gregghowie]

Hey man I was looking at your origional post. And you said "I know I am skinny but" and then stated your numbers of what you lift and push. And as another guy said he does what you bench for 32 reps or something. Obviously the dude is a beast. I am not going to sit here and tell you that I bench this and my friend does that. But I am only 200 pounds have never cycled and can tell you that your numbers are not massive. I know they are not huge cus I train with a lot of guys who are early twenties and have never cycled and are all natural and they are pushing more than those figures for sure. unless you are doing a whole bunch of reps and sets but I would reccomend that you really focus on lifting heavy might also help with you mass problem. Good Luck

[DerrikT]

Before ever using aas @ 186lbs i could bench 300lbs but i had trained hard had a good diet and was 26 which helped. I'm so glad i trained hard and waited until 26 to use aas. you can train so much more without them. I didn't peak in overall athletic ability until 23/24. 20 is way to young