cycle help!!

**basketball1515** · 09-03-2010, 02:18 PM

Hi everyone, first post to this forum but have been getting alot of help from the forum already.

My problem is I was supose to get a Test, d-bol, winni cycle. gave the money to a friends friend type thing and in the end i'v got d-bol and winni. This will be my first cycle and from what i have read on here noone promotes d-bol without some sort of testosterone . My problem is no wheres to get any test and want to have the cycle done and over with before i leave for the military in 6 months. what should i do? i already have the d-bol and winni and dont want to waste it. if i took a test booster supplement like vitrex would that help at all? (sry if dumb question) also what can i do to keep as much mass as possible at the end. thank you guys for all the help.

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-03-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by basketball1515

Hi everyone, first post to this forum but have been getting alot of help from the forum already.

My problem is I was supose to get a Test, d-bol, winni cycle. gave the money to a friends friend type thing and in the end i'v got d-bol and winni. This will be my first cycle and from what i have read on here noone promotes d-bol without some sort of testosterone. My problem is no wheres to get any test and want to have the cycle done and over with before i leave for the military in 6 months. what should i do? i already have the d-bol and winni and dont want to waste it. if i took a test booster supplement like vitrex would that help at all? (sry if dumb question) also what can i do to keep as much mass as possible at the end. thank you guys for all the help.

FYI here come the scammers...

**scotty51312** · 09-03-2010, 03:08 PM

Wouldn't advise any solo oral cycle. Once the orals shut down your natural test prodution no ammount of OTC test boosters will help you (tribulus etc). And if you do a cycle prior to going to basic training you will loose all gains you had. If you make any. How old are you??
Height?
Weight?
Training experience?
Goals?
Bodyfat%?

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-03-2010, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by scotty51312

Wouldn't advise any solo oral cycle. Once the orals shut down your natural test prodution no ammount of OTC test boosters will help you (tribulus etc). And if you do a cycle prior to going to basic training you will loose all gains you had. If you make any. How old are you??
Height?
Weight?
Training experience?
Goals?
Bodyfat%?

x2. There is absolutely no sense in doing a cycle if you cannot do it correctly.

**basketball1515** · 09-03-2010, 04:28 PM

Height? 5'7"
Weight? 165lbs
Training experience? since 18 (23 now)
Goals? wanted to keep on 15lbs
Bodyfat%? 9 last i checked ( 6 months ago)

i'm not a big guy as you can see from my stats never have been. started out at 117lbs when i started trainging. always been a hard gainer but have gained alot IMO in the last 5 years with trainging and dieting but haven't been able to get any bigger in the last almost year. i have been pretty stuck and my goal was to hit 180 and stay at that so the plan was one cycle to get me over my hump and thats it. i know alot of ppl say you wont ever only do one cycle but i dont want to be much bigger then 180 at 5'7" lol what would be some realistic numbers i could put on and keep, average because everyone is different i know.

also what risks do i have running a dbol only or dbol and winni? or would dbol and winnni just be retarded to run together? should i really just toss these and count my losses ( i really dont want to as i am tight for money and cost me a pretty penny)

**scotty51312** · 09-03-2010, 05:33 PM

23 is still not the recomended age for AAS most will tell you at least 25. Without test the orals will shut down your natural production and most likeley you will be sexually disfunctional. If you're wanting to add mass winni isn't what you want. And solo dbol won't give you anything that will last. Even if you put on 20lbs of solid muscle mass then went of to boot camp you wouldn't keep a pound. You wouldn't be able to eat right. The strain and stress on your body will keep your cortisol levels high and you'll be right back where you started. Throw your Dbol and winni in a safe place and save them for a year or two or sell them back. Spend your time now concentrating on diet.

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-03-2010, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by scotty51312

23 is still not the recomended age for AAS most will tell you at least 25. Without test the orals will shut down your natural production and most likeley you will be sexually disfunctional. If you're wanting to add mass winni isn't what you want. And solo dbol won't give you anything that will last. Even if you put on 20lbs of solid muscle mass then went of to boot camp you wouldn't keep a pound. You wouldn't be able to eat right. The strain and stress on your body will keep your cortisol levels high and you'll be right back where you started. Throw your Dbol and winni in a safe place and save them for a year or two or sell them back. Spend your time now concentrating on diet.

I have a safe here you are more than welcome to keep them in....