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    Question Test E 1st cycle: questions

    First of all, I want thank everybody who takes time to post info here. It's a great resource. I've read through dozens of threads and I feel like I have a good idea about what my first cycle should consist of. Now I will give you a little info about me, because I'm trying to understand what I should expect given my goals/current stats.

    My stats:
    Age - 31
    Height 6'2"
    Weight 201 lbs
    Lifting experience: nearly 4 years
    Typical bench press workout: 225 lbs, 4 sets of 8 reps
    Bodyfat: 12.5% (caliper)
    Cycle experience: zilch

    I'm coming off a cutting phase and have done a shit ton of cardio to drop about 20 lbs. The problem is, I probably don't have the greatest genetics. I've never had a well-defined and flat stomach. I've tailored my diet and have ran nearly 250 miles over the past 3 months. My family has a history of guts and it only gets worse with age. Ultimately what I want is a shredded mid-section. I would like some more size everywhere of course, but the cellulite that just won't go away around the mid-section MUST GO AWAY!

    I'm now planning my first cycle. I believe it will be:

    Weeks 1-12 500 mg test-e with a-dex
    Weeks 14-18 nolva and clomid (dosages per recommended in other threads)

    With a pharmacy grade test-e cycle, can I expect to add any mass if the goal is to shred up the abdomen? Does cardio become much harder while I'm on cycle? I'd like to maybe add 10 pounds of lean mass and get the bodyfat down to 10%. Is that possible on a 12 week cycle of test-e?

    Also, are the PCT's (nolva and clomid) available without a script? I believe the shrewd way to go about it would be to have everything for your cycle in hand before starting the cycle. Also, is running HCG weeks 9-12 the best? Or is that even necessary with a first cycle?

    Is it best to work out early morning, afternoon or evenings? What should I expect in terms of strength gains (on the bench press for example)? Thank you.

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    Have you considered thermogenics. I'm finishing up my first cycle and thought I was going to be able to lose fat and add lean mass, I was wrong i put on 20lbs in 10 weeks but my bodyfat is the same or maybe up 1 percent. It all depends on your diet while you're on a cycle. Have you considered thermogenics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty51312 View Post
    Have you considered thermogenics. I'm finishing up my first cycle and thought I was going to be able to lose fat and add lean mass, I was wrong i put on 20lbs in 10 weeks but my bodyfat is the same or maybe up 1 percent. It all depends on your diet while you're on a cycle. Have you considered thermogenics?
    Yes, I have. That leads to another question: are thermos like Black Cats safe to use while on a test-e cycle? I also understand test-e to be much better for a bulk. Essentially, I want to bulk again as I've sacrificed a lot of muscle tissue to get leaner. I know 12.5% isn't ultra lean, but I was closer to 15% bodyfat before my last cutting phase.

    My thing is: if I don't put on 20 pounds of lean mass during my cycle, I'm not going to be upset if I've decreased my bodyfat %. I was hoping for a happy medium, but that may be impossible even on cycle. It certainly is without being on cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeLiveForTheBill View Post
    With a pharmacy grade test-e cycle, can I expect to add any mass if the goal is to shred up the abdomen? Your diet will play a roll in loss of adipose tissue. Yes expect mass and some water rentention. Does cardio become much harder while I'm on cycle? Depends. If weight/water gain is too excessive, perhaps it will turn you sluggish. Other then that, Test should not hinder your cardiovascular performance. I'd like to maybe add 10 pounds of lean mass and get the bodyfat down to 10%. Is that possible on a 12 week cycle of test-e? In conjunction with proper nutrition and training tailored to your goals, yes.

    Also, are the PCT's (nolva and clomid) available without a script? Yes I believe the shrewd way to go about it would be to have everything for your cycle in hand before starting the cycle. Also, is running HCG weeks 9-12 the best? It can be ran the last 4-6 weeks up until PCT or if atrophy occurs earlier. Or is that even necessary with a first cycle? Not a necessity, but it will certainly help.

    Is it best to work out early morning, afternoon or evenings? Afternoon has shown in certain studies to give the user the most work out put. Train when it best fits your schedule. What should I expect in terms of strength gains (on the bench press for example)? This will vary and I can't begin to even give a ball park estimate. You won't be disappointed let's just leave it at that. Thank you.
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    OTC's Thermogenics are safe while on test. Even clen can be ran with test safely. Assuming you're blood pressure and health history is in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
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    Where is the best place to get Nolva & Clomid? Walgreens?

    I'm assuming I would need a script for HCG unless I have another way of obtaining it? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeLiveForTheBill View Post
    Where is the best place to get Nolva & Clomid? Walgreens?

    I'm assuming I would need a script for HCG unless I have another way of obtaining it? Thanks.
    It seems upon research, I'd have to go black market to get the nolva and clomid without a script.

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    I wouldnt recommend test e if you are looking to cut BF. test does help with this but not to the extent that you would want...altough you put on muscles and more muscles will help you lose fat when doing cardio.

    If you are looking to put on 10lbs and get noticeably more cut, go with anavar (40mg/d for 8 wks and proper PCT).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeLiveForTheBill View Post
    It seems upon research, I'd have to go black market to get the nolva and clomid without a script.
    This hold true with both SERMS and HCG .

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
    This hold true with both SERMS and HCG.
    How much HCG would be advisable to add towards the end of the cycle? Should I def wait until I see testicular hypertrophy, or just take the damned HCG before it happens?

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    1000iu PW or 250iu EOD.

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