Planning future cutting cycle...

[boyka]

So far my plan is going like this:

Test E 500mg/week , 12 weeks
Proviron 50mg/ed , 12 weeks ---------------- This is my main question
PCT: Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50
Planning carb cycling diet (50g lowest, 150g highest) , around 250g Protein, and some 50g of fat.
Stats:
Age: 24
Height: 6ft
Weight: 190lbs
Bodyfat: 13-15%
Working out 4 years
Done one bulking cycle before: Test E 400mg/w , 12 week
D-bol 30mg/ed , 5 week
So as you can see in the red above, my main question is about Proviron dose, weeks of use, and how much it will help.

[boyka]

Bump!!!

[TKO Performance]

What's your planned cardio? Without cardio you are going to have a hard time cutting.

50-150g of carbs is going to be too low for cutting with cardio. I'd consider lg/lb. of body weight minimum. I'd cycle between 150-300 grams/day.

You can cut on test, but truthfully I think it's a waste. The main purpose of test is to increase mass. You're hamstringing that ability.

I'd rather see you cut naturally down to 12% confirmed by accurate testing (Bod Pod or water immersion). Then maybe consider a cutting cycle with Anavar or test/Anavar.

Unless you are trying to keep your body weight low for a weight class oriented sport I'd say you should look to gain another 20lbs of lean mass naturally before trying to run another cycle. You're still young, actually a little too young for steroids, and still well below potential.

[boyka]

What's your planned cardio? Without cardio you are going to have a hard time cutting. -------- I'm a running fan (competed in local marathons), so when i do cardio i will try to keep below 160bpm , and less than 7 days a week.Last summer i was too exited about my running program, and made some good progress in endurance (running in the forest 15km ascent and descent, and that was around 1h 30min average heart beat 190bpm and my strength, and muscle mass were waayy down, but my endurance was great.So i will try to do a more "normal" cardio this summer.

50-150g of carbs is going to be too low for cutting with cardio. I'd consider lg/lb. of body weight minimum. I'd cycle between 150-300 grams/day. ----- Yes i will up the carbs

You can cut on test, but truthfully I think it's a waste. The main purpose of test is to increase mass. You're hamstringing that ability.

I'd rather see you cut naturally down to 12% confirmed by accurate testing (Bod Pod or water immersion). Then maybe consider a cutting cycle with Anavar or test/Anavar.

Unless you are trying to keep your body weight low for a weight class oriented sport I'd say you should look to gain another 20lbs of lean mass naturally before trying to run another cycle. You're still young, actually a little too young for steroids, and still well below potential.

Bold... Anyone else advise...

[TKO Performance]

Okay, so cardio is obviously not a problem. I'd say limit it to 3-4 days a week and 2 hours max at a stretch. Try to do cardio on days you don't lift. You should have one day a week just dedicated to rest as well.

So, are you still looking to gain mass or just cut?

[boyka]

Okay, so cardio is obviously not a problem. I'd say limit it to 3-4 days a week and 2 hours max at a stretch. Try to do cardio on days you don't lift. You should have one day a week just dedicated to rest as well.

So, are you still looking to gain mass or just cut?

I wan't to cut fat, and keep muscle as possible by running less and taking steroids unlike last summer when i was running like a fool and dropping muscle and strength like fool.
Other suggestions about this cycle?

[TKO Performance]

I think you should see what you can do naturally with decreased hard cardio and proper diet first. I firmly believe that at your age you can easily gain another 20lbs of lean mass before needing steroids to cross the genetic threshold. I'd give our body a chance to adjust before trying to ramrod muscle onto your frame with drugs. Gains made like that do not often last. Gains made after a while of eating right and training right tend to stick around.

[boyka]

I think you should see what you can do naturally with decreased hard cardio and proper diet first. I firmly believe that at your age you can easily gain another 20lbs of lean mass before needing steroids to cross the genetic threshold. I'd give our body a chance to adjust before trying to ramrod muscle onto your frame with drugs. Gains made like that do not often last. Gains made after a while of eating right and training right tend to stick around.

I understand that you are thinking about my safety and thank you, but,as you can see above i already made one cycle before, so anyway i am not natural.
btw. any input on proviron experience, dosage etc...

[marcus300]

Why dont you carb cycle before the planned cycle for 6-8 weeks which will drop your bf and create a very anabolic environment when you start the planned cycle and turn the cycle into a lean mass one.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

I wan't to cut fat, and keep muscle as possible by running less and taking steroids unlike last summer when i was running like a fool and dropping muscle and strength like fool.
Other suggestions about this cycle?

Thats a lot of fool! I agree w/TKO you are not cycle ready.

[Lifeguard102]

Why dont you carb cycle before the planned cycle for 6-8 weeks which will drop your bf and create a very anabolic environment when you start the planned cycle and turn the cycle into a lean mass one.

Agree. It will also give you the opportunity to "dial in " you diet and decide what works. In addition the less fat you have the less estro effects you experience. So two good reasons to take Marcus Advice and cycle your carbs 6-8 weeks. Start today.


This is a plain jane cycle. It is ok.
If I may make a couple tweaks to help at this time.
1. Swap your Test E for Sust 250.
Why? You will exp. less aromatization and water retention.
I also see your not running an AI.

2. Next, lol, run arimidex/anastrozole from Day 1. No excuses.
You haven't run an IM cycle with Sust/Test E or any other Testosterone formulations before. As a result you don't know what to look for in terms of Estro SE due to aromatizing. PLAY IT SAFE AND RUN AN AI FROM DAY ONE EVERY TIME. .5 MWF is sufficient and works well up to 1 G per week for me.

This is what I do myself.
Good luck pal.
Life

[boyka]

I will cry now.
Armidex= Half of my salary , that's in my country. (same for letro, aromasin....)
Because thad my main question ( sad 100 times above) is about proviron as AI , and effective dose.
I expected answer like this: Oh yeah i used Proviron before and is great , and it will help with aromatisation of Test E. but no luck for me
I am researching about steroids more than 2 years and no sense now to quit.
And thanks for all putting me back from doing a cycle, but i like i said i have done one cycle before and i'm not natural.
Just please say something about Proviron...

[Lifeguard102]

What are you crying for?
You have been given solid advice.

Have you tried google Proviron or do you need further spoon feeding?

You have the ability to do research.
The problem is you aren't getting the answers you "want".

[boyka]

What are you crying for?
You have been given solid advice.

Have you tried google Proviron or do you need further spoon feeding?

You have the ability to do research.
The problem is you aren't getting the answers you "want".

I researched about Proviron alot, but i just wanted to see some discussion , experiences about it and my whole cycle (this is the forum about right? ). Instead of that i got posts saying to not use steroids, that's funny cuz i even did one cycle before and train 4 years bodybuilding and read some threads where a guy with over 20% bodyfat , and less than one year training gets advices about steroids. I don't get it.
Sorry if insult someone...

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Boyka you are not going to get the discussion you are looking for about prov because we do not use it for AIs. We tend to stick to the items that are extremely expensive for you but I am confused as to why you cannot just order them. If they are extremely expensive at your local pharms order from else where.

[boyka]

Almost no one uses Armidex here, not even amateur competitors, they use Nolvadex, Clomid, Proviron.... Never made order online, and don't know anyone made order, and don't know how to ( sorry not modern people ), even if i make one from USA to Europe who knows how much it will cost me the transport and i will be one of the rare Armidex users here.
I know Nolva and Clomid are SERM's and my hope was on Proviron...

[boyka]

OK, guys sorry if molested you.

[TKO Performance]

Almost no one uses Armidex here, not even amateur competitors, they use Nolvadex, Clomid, Proviron.... Never made order online, and don't know anyone made order, and don't know how to ( sorry not modern people ), even if i make one from USA to Europe who knows how much it will cost me the transport and i will be one of the rare Armidex users here.
I know Nolva and Clomid are SERM's and my hope was on Proviron...

Arimidex, Nolva, and Clomid are used for different things. Arimidex is an AI (Aromatase Inhibitor) that you use while on cycle to prevent water retention, gyno, and estrogen related side effects. Most consider it to be outdated and would prefer to use Aromasin instead.

Nolva and Clomid are used after your cycle as part of PCT (Post Cycle Therapy). This is so that your testes will begin to produce proper levels of testosterone again. Typically after a test cycle you would use both of these drugs. I would suggest dosing the Nolva at 40/40/20/20 and the Clomid at 100/50/50/50 (mg/day each week for a four week course of PCT).

Proviron at the dosage suggested should be fine. You could go as high as 150mg/day without depressing effects on the HPTA. The main benefits are no aromatization to estrogen, binding of aromatase (preventing test from aromatizing to estro), no reduction to DHT, and no reduction in natural test production (and possibly even a slight rise). It is a 17aa though, so take liver support while using as it is liver toxic. It is possible that Proviron may reduce the need for an AI, but may not eliminate it. The need for an AI is a fairly personal thing, and requires experience to judge properly.

[boyka]

Arimidex, Nolva, and Clomid are used for different things. Arimidex is an AI (Aromatase Inhibitor) that you use while on cycle to prevent water retention, gyno, and estrogen related side effects. Most consider it to be outdated and would prefer to use Aromasin instead.

Nolva and Clomid are used after your cycle as part of PCT (Post Cycle Therapy). This is so that your testes will begin to produce proper levels of testosterone again. Typically after a test cycle you would use both of these drugs. I would suggest dosing the Nolva at 40/40/20/20 and the Clomid at 100/50/50/50 (mg/day each week for a four week course of PCT).

Proviron at the dosage suggested should be fine. You could go as high as 150mg/day without depressing effects on the HPTA. The main benefits are no aromatization to estrogen, binding of aromatase (preventing test from aromatizing to estro), no reduction to DHT, and no reduction in natural test production (and possibly even a slight rise). It is a 17aa though, so take liver support while using as it is liver toxic. It is possible that Proviron may reduce the need for an AI, but may not eliminate it. The need for an AI is a fairly personal thing, and requires experience to judge properly.

Thanks for clearing out man.