What does the usual 2nd cycle look like?

**bodybreak01** · 09-06-2010, 08:56 AM

First cycle was 500mg/wk of test e, and dbol for the first 5 weeks. Then pct obviously.

Only gained about 10lbs, but no fat and my strength is through the roof.

But, my question is: What is the normal route for a second cycle? (after waiting 12 weeks)

***D7M*** · 09-06-2010, 09:02 AM

depends on your goals....

**Dont wanna be old** · 09-06-2010, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by bodybreak01

First cycle was 500mg/wk of test e, and dbol for the first 5 weeks. Then pct obviously.

Only gained about 10lbs, but no fat and my strength is through the roof.

But, my question is: What is the normal route for a second cycle? (after waiting 12 weeks)

If you replicate that and gain 5lbs .
I would call that a win .
If it's not broke , don't fix it

Good luck
Don't wanna be old

**Dont wanna be old** · 09-06-2010, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

depends on your goals....

Post stats and goals .
Maybe a few people can make suggestions .

**j.daddy** · 09-06-2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dont wanna be old

If you replicate that and gain 5lbs .
I would call that a win .
If it's not broke , don't fix it

Good luck
Don't wanna be old

I agree. Run Test until you need something else. Maybe try A-drol instead of d-bol. Still, 10lbs on first cycle sounds like your diet needs work. Go ahead and post your diet and see if it needs work.

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 09-06-2010, 10:12 AM

You could add deca as well or raise the test dose slightly, along with the ideas others suggested

**Sector** · 09-06-2010, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by AlphaMaleDawg

You could add deca as well or raise the test dose slightly, along with the ideas others suggested

x2

I personally want to run a 8 week prop cycle for my second with a oral kickstart for weeks 1-3. Get me use to pinning and get on cycle get my results then get into pct quicker. Im finding that I cant wait to pin on this Test E cycle, I think thats why Prop is appealing to me as well.

Sorry just had my morning cup of joe haha. What are your goals?

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-06-2010, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by bodybreak01

First cycle was 500mg/wk of test e, and dbol for the first 5 weeks. Then pct obviously.

Only gained about 10lbs, but no fat and my strength is through the roof.

But, my question is: What is the normal route for a second cycle? (after waiting 12 weeks)

Honestly if you only gained 10 lbs on your 1st cycle then you need to head over to the diet forum and get that straightened out asap. It would be pointless to run any more cycles while your diet is obviously lacking.

***D7M*** · 09-06-2010, 10:56 AM

Just to clear something up here:

IF he gained 10lbs of lean muscle tissue on this cycle, I would say that was a fantastic cycle.

On the other hand, if he gained 25+ lbs I would chastise him and tell him to get his butt in the diet forum, because he most likely gained 15-20lbs of fat and water.

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-06-2010, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

Just to clear something up here:

IF he gained 10lbs of lean muscle tissue on this cycle, I would say that was a fantastic cycle.

On the other hand, if he gained 25+ lbs I would chastise him and tell him to get his butt in the diet forum, because he most likely gained 15-20lbs of fat and water.

I can understand where you are coming from and I can only look at this from my own perspective, which I can admit is not always correct. However, on my 1st cycle I gained double that and it was clean, hence my suspicion in regards to his diet.

***D7M*** · 09-06-2010, 11:06 AM

^^That just means you weren't ready to cycle, and you could've gained alot of weight naturally.

**HawaiianPride.** · 09-06-2010, 11:08 AM

Agree D7M

10lbs is a reasonable goal assuming you started the cycle at or near your genetic potential.

The fellas you see throwing on 25lbs+ of weight in general are the ones that are clearly not ready to cycle.

To further D7M's first post, the 2nd cycle should in most cases be very similar to the first cycle in terms of compounds and dosages. Goals play a significant factor underlying what you'll cycle next, but generally shouldn't be too far off from your original plan.

Always use the least amount you can get away with, and only tackle on more compounds/dosages after you've plateaued on previous cycles.

**Aizen Sosuke** · 09-06-2010, 11:47 AM

Fully agree with D7M. Let's wait for the op to post stats and goals before we could speculate though.

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 09-06-2010, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sector

x2

I personally want to run a 8 week prop cycle for my second with a oral kickstart for weeks 1-3. Get me use to pinning and get on cycle get my results then get into pct quicker. Im finding that I cant wait to pin on this Test E cycle, I think thats why Prop is appealing to me as well.

Sorry just had my morning cup of joe haha. What are your goals?

That's the best way to go man. I am on my first cycle now and it's test prop only. I have no desire to ever run a long Esther. My second will be prop and NPP

**baseline_9** · 09-06-2010, 02:34 PM

10lean pounds is great.

My second os going to be 8 weeks of prop at 525 a week

Running HCG also this time

May add dbol for a week or so at the start

Run test only as long as you can get away with it, deca tren etc dont sound fun to me, do t wanna risk the hard hard shutdown just yet

**scotty51312** · 09-06-2010, 03:32 PM

Gained a total of around 20lbs on my first cycle. But my diet was designed to bulk. Bulking seemed the easiest way to go for me cause i just have a naturally huge appetite. I see a lot of guys use thier second cycle as a more focused cycle towards either bulking or cutting. My second will be test/anavar /t-3 and will be a cutting focus after I shed some fat naturally over the next 3 months