First Pin Cycle

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09-07-2010, 07:24 PM
ArmyMan04

First Pin Cycle

Ok, its finally time and I am excited =]

First off:
25
6'0
220#
13%
second time using steroids(First Cycle was Anavar)....First with INJECTING steroids
Been searching all about PCT (Plan below)
been training for 9 years; hard for 5.
Diet has been critiqued here: http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/433244-cutting-diet-take-3-a.html

I am planning on doing the newbie cycle with an Anavar twist at the end.

Plan:
1-12 Test E 500mg/week
1-12 500iu/week HCG (final 10-14 days leading to PCT as the ester clears, use 250ius-500ius/ED)
1-4 Dbol 40mg/day
6-12 Anavar 80mg/day
1-12 Finasteride 1mg Anti-hair loss*(See below)

PCT: (2wks after last injection)

Clomid 70/35/35/35
Torem 120/60/60/60

On hand:
Letro

Also taking:
Whey & Casein Protein
BCAA
Creatine
Waximaize

Liv-52
Milk Thistle
Policosanol
CoQ 10
Flaxd Seed
Taurine
CLA
ZMA

*Finasteride that is a specific inhibitor of 5a-reductase. Proscar is the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone into DHT (dihydrotestosterone). Proscar can efficiently reduce the serum concentration of DHT, therefore Proscar minimizes the unwanted androgenic effects that result from its presence. Propecia is the same drug but the tablet contains only 115 of the Proscar dosage. Scientists have long believed that DHT was the main culprit in many cases of male hair loss (along with genetic factors), so there was little doubt after the release of Proscar that Finasteride would eventually be used for this purpose.

Questions:
Has anyone ever used Finasteride?
Should I just keep Letro on hand in case of Gyno or use it?
Think Vit B & E injections are necessary?
Pinning: I was planning on rotating from Glutes, Delts, & Pecs... Think I should?
I was thinking 18g draw and 23g pin... suggestions?

Ok there it is. Tell me what you think. =]
AM

PS Thanks BJJ and Swifto for the input on the cycle!
09-07-2010, 08:15 PM
Knockout_Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyMan04

Ok, its finally time and I am excited =]

First off:
25
6'0
220#
13%
second time using steroids(First Cycle was Anavar)....First with INJECTING steroids
Been searching all about PCT (Plan below)
been training for 9 years; hard for 5.
Diet has been critiqued here: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=433244

I am planning on doing the newbie cycle with an Anavar twist at the end.

Plan:
1-12 Test E 500mg/week
1-12 500iu/week HCG (final 10-14 days leading to PCT as the ester clears, use 250ius-500ius/ED)
1-4 Dbol 40mg/day first time around I would run 20-25 and you will see amazing results, no need to go overboard on first go-round with dbol
6-12 Anavar 80mg/day
completely up to you, but I think Var is kind of weak to run on a cycle like this. It will add a lot of extra expense and I dont think its really worth it.. but your call
1-12 Finasteride 1mg Anti-hair loss*(See below)

PCT: (2wks after last injection)

Clomid 70/35/35/35
Torem 120/60/60/60

On hand:
Letro

Also taking:
Whey & Casein Protein
BCAA
Creatine
Waximaize

Liv-52
Milk Thistle
definately run both if you choose to run that many orals

Policosanol
CoQ 10
Flaxd Seed
Taurine
CLA
ZMA

*Finasteride that is a specific inhibitor of 5a-reductase. Proscar is the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone into DHT (dihydrotestosterone). Proscar can efficiently reduce the serum concentration of DHT, therefore Proscar minimizes the unwanted androgenic effects that result from its presence. Propecia is the same drug but the tablet contains only 115 of the Proscar dosage. Scientists have long believed that DHT was the main culprit in many cases of male hair loss (along with genetic factors), so there was little doubt after the release of Proscar that Finasteride would eventually be used for this purpose.

Questions:
Has anyone ever used Finasteride?
Should I just keep Letro on hand in case of Gyno or use it?
I wouldnt use unless you see sides, no point putting extra gear in you on your first cycle
Think Vit B & E injections are necessary?
I wouldnt inject, tablets are fine... unless you are reffering to cutting your gear to reduce pain, but I dont think Test E will cause a lot of pain if its low dose (2-250), if its test350 or 400 you might need it
Pinning: I was planning on rotating from Glutes, Delts, & Pecs... Think I should?
thats lots of sites, you only need to pin twice a week and you have 6 sites so you will only repeat locations every 3 weeks
I was thinking 18g draw and 23g pin... suggestions?
18 is sometimes too big and can really destroy the rubber stopper or get chunks into your gear, I use 21g and it works well. I pin with 25g but if you are comfortable with 23g its all preference

Ok there it is. Tell me what you think. =]
AM

PS Thanks BJJ and Swifto for the input on the cycle!

Answers in bold, pretty decent cycle, well laid out

-KP
09-07-2010, 08:21 PM
HawaiianPride.

I commend you for doing your homework, truly.

KP has this on lock.

Only thing I would add is substitute Letro for Dex or Exe. Letro as a last resort.

Ancillaries look good.

Be sure to keep a close eye on your BP and don't neglect BW prior and post-PCT.

Good luck.
09-07-2010, 08:27 PM
Knockout_Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

I commend you for doing your homework, truly.

KP has this on lock.

Only thing I would add is substitute Letro for Dex or Exe. Letro as a last resort.
Ancillaries look good.

Be sure to keep a close eye on your BP and don't neglect BW prior and post-PCT.

Good luck.

Listen to HP on this one, letro is harsh on the sex drive
09-08-2010, 04:14 AM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

Listen to HP on this one, letro is harsh on the sex drive

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

I commend you for doing your homework, truly.

KP has this on lock.

Only thing I would add is substitute Letro for Dex or Exe. Letro as a last resort.

Ancillaries look good.

Be sure to keep a close eye on your BP and don't neglect BW prior and post-PCT.

Good luck.

Thanks to both. Dex is Armidex but what is Exe? And any preference with explanation why? I like to learn to fish rather than gien a fish =]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

Answers in bold, pretty decent cycle, well laid out

-KP

KP thanks for taking the time. =] Ill take your suggestion and drop dbol dose down. And ill just keep the sites glutes and delts. and look at 21g and 25g. What doses do you recommend for vit E & B? Also I am planning on pinning Mon Morn and Thur Night and then with HCG Tues Morn and Fri Night...

Has anyone ever used Finasteride?

Any other suggestions are welcome. and Thanks!
09-08-2010, 04:15 AM
ArmyMan04

Oh and I love Anavar, its way expensive but I had great results with it my first time. So im playing with it to see how it does at the end of this cycle.
09-08-2010, 02:58 PM
ArmyMan04

bump
09-08-2010, 03:03 PM
HawaiianPride.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyMan04

Thanks to both. Dex is Armidex but what is Exe? And any preference with explanation why? I like to learn to fish rather than gien a fish =]

Exemestane (Aromasin). An AI similar to Arimidex. I personally like Exe over any AI. Personally think it's more effective. Rids up to 85% of Estro while Dex is around 50% if my memory serves me right. Letro rids up to 98% or so, causes cramps, limp dick and suppress appetite. Only use it if your Gyno symptoms are sevre or looking to try a reversal protocol.
09-08-2010, 03:15 PM
FuzzyPeaches o.O

x2, I think Aromasin is the best AI.
09-08-2010, 03:16 PM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Exemestane (Aromasin). An AI similar to Arimidex. I personally like Exe over any AI. Personally think it's more effective. Rids up to 85% of Estro while Dex is around 50% if my memory serves me right. Letro rids up to 98% or so, causes cramps, limp dick and suppress appetite. Only use it if your Gyno symptoms are sevre or looking to try a reversal protocol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O

x2, I think Aromasin is the best AI.

Thanks I will get Aromasin. = ]
09-08-2010, 03:19 PM
FuzzyPeaches o.O

It is not the cheapest but well worth the few xtra $$$ thats for sure.

*Edit - Plus if you get AR's it taste really f'n good!
09-08-2010, 03:32 PM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O

It is not the cheapest but well worth the few xtra $$$ thats for sure.

*Edit - Plus if you get AR's it taste really f'n good!

I got there Clomi and it tasted like Sh*T!!!! like really bad. Have you tried it before?

And Ill def get it from them.
09-08-2010, 03:36 PM
FuzzyPeaches o.O

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyMan04

I got there Clomi and it tasted like Sh*T!!!! like really bad. Have you tried it before?

And Ill def get it from them.

Naw I stick with tabs when it comes to that. But the 2 items I do get from AR-R are the nolva and the aromasin and I can tell you that both of them are very easy on the taste buds.
09-08-2010, 03:40 PM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O

Naw I stick with tabs when it comes to that. But the 2 items I do get from AR-R are the nolva and the aromasin and I can tell you that both of them are very easy on the taste buds.

Sounds good. And thanks for the advice.

Have you ever used Finasteride?
09-08-2010, 03:45 PM
FuzzyPeaches o.O

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyMan04

Sounds good. And thanks for the advice.

Have you ever used Finasteride?

Uhm, that sounds very familiar. Is that also called propecia? If I am correct its for MPB (Male Pattern Baldness). Anyways I have not, I am blessed in that regard.
09-08-2010, 03:47 PM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O

Uhm, that sounds very familiar. Is that also called propecia? If I am correct its for MPB (Male Pattern Baldness). Anyways I have not, I am blessed in that regard.

Yes it is. And I seem to be ok but was thinking about running it with my gear to make sure i stay ok =]. What do you think?
09-08-2010, 03:50 PM
FuzzyPeaches o.O

IMO when it comes to that it is not like gyno where it can be reversed. Prevention IS the name of THAT game.
09-08-2010, 03:51 PM
Considering

I believe you should go with Torem and Nolva/Tamox, or Chlomid and Nolva, not Tor and Chlomid.
09-08-2010, 03:54 PM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O

IMO when it comes to that it is not like gyno where it can be reversed. Prevention IS the name of THAT game.

Ok thanks sounds good!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Considering

I believe you should go with Torem and Nolva/Tamox, or Chlomid and Nolva, not Tor and Chlomid.

Can I get an explanation with this please?
09-08-2010, 04:01 PM
Considering

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyMan04

Ok thanks sounds good!

Can I get an explanation with this please?

From the studies I have seen, Nolva is best for raising T levels. I was also told from multiple sources, that as the second SERM you should choose TOR or Chlomid. I am new to the game, but I have talked to many guys in the gym and on various forums, and no one had anything negative really to say about Tor, but some guys complained about Chlomid's sides.
I finished a Torem Nolva PCT 2 weeks ago, by the way, after my 1st cycle, and it was great.
09-08-2010, 04:24 PM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Considering

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From the studies I have seen, Nolva is best for raising T levels. I was also told from multiple sources, that as the second SERM you should choose TOR or Chlomid. I am new to the game, but I have talked to many guys in the gym and on various forums, and no one had anything negative really to say about Tor, but some guys complained about Chlomid's sides.
I finished a Torem Nolva PCT 2 weeks ago, by the way, after my 1st cycle, and it was great.

Got the PM too! Thanks! Sounds good. Ill stick to Tamox and Tor
09-08-2010, 04:40 PM
ArmyMan04

Also what type of syringe is best? ARR sells the 3cc/ml one would that one be ok? Or should i get another?
09-08-2010, 04:43 PM
HawaiianPride.

3cc syringe is good.
09-08-2010, 04:45 PM
FuzzyPeaches o.O

Since you are running test e I would pin 2x a week and the 3cc syringe would be fine. Just get a pin ranging from 22-25g, the lower the # the bigger the pin. Also, depending on where you pin you will need 1" or 1.5". (all in case you did not know)
09-08-2010, 04:45 PM
ArmyMan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

3cc syringe is good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPeaches o.O

Since you are running test e I would pin 2x a week and the 3cc syringe would be fine. Just get a pin ranging from 22-25g, the lower the # the bigger the pin. Also, depending on where you pin you will need 1" or 1.5". (all in case you did not know)

Thanks to both.