My first cycle. Please help!

[Superman8]

I am 20 years old and have been working out for 5 years, the last two very seriously and very hard with a strict diet. I am a college football player when I graduated high school I was 6 2 150 I am now 6 2 183 and made a position change from corner to linebacker. I have had some serious platieus and bad genetics. For the past year i have been researching steroids. I will give you my info on my diet and the cycle I am about to start I would like feedback.
8:am 5 eggs
1 cup blueberrys
2 slices whole wheat bread
11am protein bar
Apple
2pm chicken breast
Steamed brocoli
Brown rice
5pm cooked salmon
Spinach
Raspberries
8pm 3/4 cup cottage cheese
1/4 cup mixed nuts
1orange
11pm 2scoops kaizen protein

On workout days I have pre workout/superpump 250. Post workout 4 beta k creatine pills 1 banana 2 scoops whey protein powder. I work out 5 days aweek usually something like this.
1- chest abs
2- back
3- shoulders abs
4- arms
5-legs abs
6- rest
7- run hills with a weight vest
I usually do this for a month then do my strength coaches push pull program for a month just to change it up and then switch back.

I want to run a cycle that will add size but I would like to remain cut and add as little fat and much muscle as possible because I would like to stay in football shape and maintain my speed. Although I want to run tren a lot I know it is not recommended for beginners or athlete so my cycle looks like this.
Week:
1 500 mg test e
2500 mg test e
3 500 mg test e
4 500 mg test e
5 500 mg test e
6 500 mg test e
7 500 mg test e
8 400 mg test e
9 300 mg test e
10 200 mg test e. Hcg 1500iu

During my last week I will begin injecting hcg and 2 weeks after last test shot will start pct

11 hcg 1500iu
12 hcg 1500iu
13 100mg clomid/ 40mg nolva Ed.
14 100mg clomid/ 40mg nolva Ed.
15 100mg clomid/ 20mg nolva Ed.
16 100mg clomid/ 20mg nolva Ed.

I would like this two add hopefully 20 pounds of muscle and some serious strength and speed I am very worried about gyno and hair loss. Should i run arimidex on my cycle?How common is hair loss with this? How bad will the acne be? How bad will the water retention be will I get a bloated face? Overall how does my cycle look I would like to begin next week any feedback would be great.
Bench: 265 squat: 290 deadlift: 345

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

At 20 years old you are no where near ready to cycle and I doubt anyone here will be willing to help you ruin your life by giving you cycle advice.

[Superman8]

Regardless of my age or what anyone says I will be starting this cycle so feedback would be nice but with or without it I will be doing this cycle. I'm surrounded by athletes juicing and all of them are between the ages of 18 to 25.

[marcus300]

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[Superman8]

I appreciate the post it was very educational and it seriously took effort thanks you but it almost seems as though you didn't read my first post I have done my research a lot. I have proper nutrition I know about post workout meals and I know how to train keeping in mind I'm a college level athlete I've added 34 pounds of natural muscle on 3 years from my training i am not some rookie to working out looking for short cuts I am a long time lifter and athlete wanting to go to the next level

[marcus300]

I appreciate the post it was very educational and it seriously took effort thanks you but it almost seems as though you didn't read my first post I have done my research a lot. I have proper nutrition I know about post workout meals and I know how to train keeping in mind I'm a college level athlete I've added 34 pounds of natural muscle on 3 years from my training i am not some rookie to working out looking for short cuts I am a long time lifter and athlete wanting to go to the next level

I take it you didnt read my whole post, do you want to shut down your own hormone system what hasnt fully developed yet? by doing so you could end up with low test for life and on hrt for life. Do you want to be suffering with limp dick,depression,testicle atrophy,mood swings,muscle loss,fat gain, gyno etc! When you shut down your HPTA at you age your risking some serious sides what will be with you for the rest of your life, now if you still want to carry on with this cycle no one here will advice you because there isnt a safe way for you to cycle at your age, its to dangerous and this board trys to point people in the right direction and not down a route what will destroy their life, best of luck you will need it.

[Bonaparte]

So you're a 183lb college lineman? You might want to ditch the football and study harder.

[Superman8]

I'm a linebacker bro thanks though for the input on my football which is what I don't need help with the. If i wanted help from someone that doesn't play football I wouldve posted in a football forum

[D7M]

If i wanted help from someone that doesn't play football I wouldve posted in a football forum

You might want to study harder.

^^I'm with Bonaparet on this one....

[Superman8]

O my gosh is every one in this site retarted I can't get help with what you guys no about (steroids) but your going to beak what I do. High school all American and div 1 full ride and you have s**t to say come on.

[MBMETC]

I would like this two add hopefully 20 pounds of muscle and some serious strength and speed I am very worried about gyno and hair loss. Should i run arimidex on my cycle?How common is hair loss with this? How bad will the acne be? How bad will the water retention be will I get a bloated face?

EVERYONE IS AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT IS AS SPECIFIC AS YOUR GONNA GET

YOUR TOO YOUNG LISTEN TO THESE GUYS, UNLESS YOU DONT LIKE GETTING LAID

[themoreyouknow]

O my gosh is every one in this site retarted I can't get help with what you guys no about (steroids) but your going to beak what I do. High school all American and div 1 full ride and you have s**t to say come on.

was that english?

hey man, these guys are trying to look out for you...they're not saying this so they can keep all the juice the themselves lol

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

O my gosh is every one in this site retarted I can't get help with what you guys no about (steroids) but your going to beak what I do. High school all American and div 1 full ride and you have s**t to say come on.

I know we are all such peckers for looking out for you.. Please do not hurt your arm patting yourself on the back! Plus if you REALLY WERE THIS GOOD you would not be looking to cheat.

[themoreyouknow]

I know we are all such peckers for looking out for you.. Please do not hurt your arm patting yourself on the back! Plus if you REALLY WERE THIS GOOD you would not be looking to cheat.

LOL touche

[Superman8]

It has nothing to do with n being mad about people looking out for me would ou ever stop to consider the people I'm chirping at are the ones who are trying to talk to me about football I had nothing bad to say to the people tryin o help in fact I thin I saidthanks an I appreciate it. I hve no problem with people saying I'm too ping they don't want to give me advice cool. The morons that thin their going to tal to me about my football career should stick to body building and please don't act like you lnow me. " if I was really that good" hundreds of pro athlete have juiced it's just a fact and they were good both before and after

[fleck]

Im on both sides here I have to say. I can fully understand the lad. I do have a few questions for him which il get to in a second but he says all his teammates and everyone around him are juicing so there is a lot of pressure for him to compete in that respect. If the coach maybe ''overlooks'' other students using well that can put more pressure on someone.
I cant believe he has two cycles under his belt at 20......
You must also think about going through college. How would you feel about having to inject yourself for all you college years? Do they have doping tests/drug tests?
If you were to continue cycle besides putting your dick in jearpody you will be setting yourself up for lifelong dependancy, which would be detrimental for your career if you had to suddenly stop or were caught.
Good luck in whatever you do.
Flecks

[Superman8]

Flecks thank you for the post... Yes they have random screenings where after a game they can randomly select 5 players per team to test but I have been here for 2 years and haven't seen anyone be tested yet... I am watching all the other guys in my year put on 50 pounds in a year and guys I was ahead of on the depth chart are now passing me and as you said my coaches don't say or do anything as long as no one is getting caught they don't seem to do anything about it. No I don't want to be dependent on it I would like to try the one cycle and most likely never do it again... I was under the impression that the cycle I posted above was fairly safe and I have the pct right and that most likely I would have minor sides such as acne and that within a month of my pct my teat levels and everything else should be balanced out a team mate of mine did the same cycle with virtually no pct and is about to run it again.

[fleck]

your clomids too high...just take 100 mg every day for the first week, then drop it to 50 for week 2,3,4. The nolva is fine at 40/40/20/20. Youl find too many sides with high clomid for too long. use the hcg if you get shut down, all the best.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

your clomids too high...just take 100 mg every day for the first week, then drop it to 50 for week 2,3,4. The nolva is fine at 40/40/20/20. Youl find too many sides with high clomid for too long. use the hcg if you get shut down, all the best.

Fleck, hopefully your willing to coach him through his trt/hrt also!

[PistolStarta]

for hell sakes his breakfast is like 20-25grams of protein, and his dinner maybe 30g, a 5day split with no resting? Yea its all the websites fault.

[fleck]

i just figured he was going to do it anyways...He said it was his only cycle.. hope it reaps rewards for him though.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

i just figured he was going to do it anyways...He said it was his only cycle.. hope it reaps rewards for him though.

Honestly, good intentions or not you are doing him NO favors by telling him how to screw up his ITT levels and giving him a very realistic shot at permanent damage to his HTPA. Besides one and only? C`mon...

[Superman8]

for hell sakes his breakfast is like 20-25grams of protein, and his dinner maybe 30g, a 5day split with no resting? Yea its all the websites fault.

I consume 2g prison per pound of body weight and no one said anything about the website being at fault about anything.

Fleck in your opinion, you agree with everyone else in sayin this small careful cycle I've seen dozens of guys do is going to screw me up for life even with the proper pct?

[PistolStarta]

I consume 2g prison per pound of body weight and no one said anything about the website being at fault about anything.

Fleck in your opinion, you agree with everyone else in sayin this small careful cycle I've seen dozens of guys do is going to screw me up for life even with the proper pct?

then you apparently gave us 1/3 of your diet.

[Superman8]

1 egg= 8 x 4 = 24
protein bar= 30
Chicken breast= 40
salmon=40
cottage cheese 20
mixed nuts 10
2 scoops whey = 50
2 scoops kaizen=50
=244
+
Bread has around 10g per slice 20g in my serving of rice but anyway just learn how to add

[Bonaparte]

1 egg= 8 x 4 = 24
protein bar= 30
Chicken breast= 40
salmon=40
cottage cheese 20
mixed nuts 10
2 scoops whey = 50
2 scoops kaizen=50
=244
+
Bread has around 10g per slice 20g in my serving of rice but anyway just learn how to add

Aside from how much protein you don't eat, what are your total daily calories? Because they sure aren't enough, judging by your height:weight ratio. 183lbs would be an acceptable starting point for AAS use if you were a few years older and like 5 inches shorter.

[Superman8]

So mo one is going to look at my cycle and help me by allmeans critique my diet I'll take it serious anything that helps but can someone talk about my cycle and pct as well. I don't count calorious I just try to have a serving of fruit and veggies and protein with every meal and grain twice a day. My nutritionist said I don't need to count calories. An if it helps my bf% is just over 4

[Bonaparte]

So mo one is going to look at my cycle and help me by allmeans critique my diet I'll take it serious anything that helps but can someone talk about my cycle and pct as well. I don't count calorious I just try to have a serving of fruit and veggies and protein with every meal and grain twice a day. My nutritionist said I don't need to count calories. An if it helps my bf% is just over 4

And that's why you're half the size of most guys on the field. You could gain SO much weight in the next couple months if you started a serious bulking diet and didn't even worry about AAS. 4% BF is starvation level. You don't need AAS, just learn to eat and you'll be 210lbs in no time.

[marcus300]

your clomids too high...just take 100 mg every day for the first week, then drop it to 50 for week 2,3,4. The nolva is fine at 40/40/20/20. Youl find too many sides with high clomid for too long. use the hcg if you get shut down, all the best.

bad advice.don't listen to what you want to hear but what is right for you and you stats .

[Superman8]

So how about you give me your advice you seem to know what's right so instead of repeatedly disagreeing with my choice and what other people say realize that I'm about to do this cycle and help me you don't know me so u can't care that much about me so help me do it the safest way possible

[IMunchRoidz]

So how about you give me your advice you seem to know what's right so instead of repeatedly disagreeing with my choice and what other people say realize that I'm about to do this cycle and help me you don't know me so u can't care that much about me so help me do it the safest way possible

if ur actually that deadset on doing a cycle, u should know that u wouldnt get much advice from people who think its dangerous for you. If u are still going to do it, despite what these more experienced members say, u should research it yourself. Use the search bar and good luck brah, ull need it at your age if ur going to inject.

They are experienced and smart enough to know not to advise people on doing things that they believe is wrong/dangerous.

[boxin23]

O my gosh is every one in this site retarted I can't get help with what you guys no about (steroids) but your going to beak what I do. High school all American and div 1 full ride and you have s**t to say come on.

RETARTED!!!!!! HA HA....I agree with the OP on here that say you should concentrate on your school, not your AAS use and football.

I am not trying to be an asshole here. I am just saying I have read your entire post and your grammar is terrible. I am sure you are an excellent player but if you don't make it you are going to have to depend on something else.....either your mind or your body.....so feed your mind and don't **** up your body brother. Listen to Marcus.....he is not lying to you.

Another problem I have is your diet. I am 5'6" and have been that heavy. Something is going on. At 6'2" you can easily get to 220 by summer or this time next year natty and not have to screw things up. I boxed at a very light weight in high school. 122lbs. I put on 20 lbs of muscle in a short period of time because like you I was starving my body and staying very lean.

You can do it brother. A very good friend of mine was also an all american running back and ended up playing in the CFL and NFL Europe.....he is now in his 30's and battles with TRT and has limp dick now. He only did 2 cycles, but they were before he was 22. He regrets it badly now. Just food for thought. Work on that grammar bro!

[marcus300]

So how about you give me your advice you seem to know what's right so instead of repeatedly disagreeing with my choice and what other people say realize that I'm about to do this cycle and help me you don't know me so u can't care that much about me so help me do it the safest way possible

Your answer isnt in steroids at your age, why do you not listen!

There isnt a correct way to cycle at your age because its to dangerous, no matter if your going to do it anyway I wont change what i think is right.
Ive been training longer than you have been alive and ive been there and seen it many many times so why dont you stop and listen before you cause yourself injury, you sound like 12 yrs old keep asking for help, cant you see no one will give it to you because your to young to cycle, I have morals and principles and ive seen first hand what damage can occur so i'm not just going to give you advice on something what i think is wrong al, because you say your going to do it anyway.

dont you get it, anyone who does give you advice is either 20yrs old himself or doesnt have a clue what he is doing or understand what can and will happen. It doesnt matter what pct or compounds your going to use your still shutting down a system what hasnt fully developed and you will regret it.

I wont comment again because i can see it pointless trying to convince a kid what is right when all he wants is what he wants to hear.

[MBMETC]

retarted!!!!!! Ha ha....i agree with the op on here that say you should concentrate on your school, not your aas use and football.

I am not trying to be an asshole here. I am just saying i have read your entire post and your grammar is terrible. I am sure you are an excellent player but if you don't make it you are going to have to depend on something else.....either your mind or your body.....so feed your mind and don't **** up your body brother. Listen to marcus.....he is not lying to you.

Another problem i have is your diet. I am 5'6" and have been that heavy. Something is going on. At 6'2" you can easily get to 220 by summer or this time next year natty and not have to screw things up. I boxed at a very light weight in high school. 122lbs. I put on 20 lbs of muscle in a short period of time because like you i was starving my body and staying very lean.

You can do it brother. A very good friend of mine was also an all american running back and ended up playing in the cfl and nfl europe.....he is now in his 30's and battles with trt and has limp dick now. He only did 2 cycles, but they were before he was 22. He regrets it badly now. Just food for thought. Work on that grammar bro!

quality post , good job