Anavar and Winnie - First cycle help !!

**Nukleuz** · 09-15-2010, 03:44 AM

hi Guys,

new to the forums, Hoping to learn a lot from everyone!

I need some advice please!

I am 27 years old. Im 1,7 m high and weighing in at about 76kg's at the moment.

I have been training constantly for a number of years, so my strength is good and I have a relatively good build ( if i do say so myself ).

Ive decided its time to try my first cycle. I am looking at a cutting cycle to get ripped before our the summer. ( I live in RSA )

This is what I have been advised so far, tell me what you guys think!!

Oxandroplex ( Anavar )

Monday to friday
30 mg a day ( split up at break,lunch, dinner )

OStanoplex ( Winstrol )

Monday, wednesday and Friday
30 mg a day ( taken in the mornings)

Ephadrine tabs

Monday to friday
30 mg , twice a day ( split up at breakfast and lunch)

With milk thistle everyday.

( I train at 17:30 in the after noon)

Is it recommended I stack this with a creatine mono hydrate?

And I am also going to load the protein in as I don't want to loose any muscle mass.

Thanks guys!

**TKO Performance** · 09-15-2010, 05:11 AM

Current body fat %? Planned PCT? Cycle length?

By my math you are 5'7" tall weighing 167 lbs.

I would never take Winstrol with Anavar . That's two 17aas in the same cycle, and its your first cycle. Not a good idea period, but certainly not for a first go.

**Nukleuz** · 09-15-2010, 06:52 AM

I'm planning on a cycle length of 8 weeks.
I need advice on a PCT , that's why Im here.. to learn the do's and dont's

I'm a bit confused as to exactly how the fat % is worked out. I did the caliper test recently and that was 9:17 .
but obviously that does not take into account fat underneath the muscle and so on...so how do i accurately test my BF% ?

I understand that taking both of these can be quiet hard on the liver, so I am upping my water considerably and staying away from all other toxins ( alcohol ) to try and prevent any damage.

Please advise?? thanks!

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-15-2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Nukleuz

I'm planning on a cycle length of 8 weeks.
I need advice on a PCT , that's why Im here.. to learn the do's and dont's

I'm a bit confused as to exactly how the fat % is worked out. I did the caliper test recently and that was 9:17 .
but obviously that does not take into account fat underneath the muscle and so on...so how do i accurately test my BF% ?

I understand that taking both of these can be quiet hard on the liver, so I am upping my water considerably and staying away from all other toxins ( alcohol ) to try and prevent any damage.

Please advise?? thanks!

Seriously? Staying away from all toxins? Upping your water? You honestly think that will do it? You are taking the most toxic 17aa out there and stacking it with another 17aa. If you are here to learn then this is lesson #1 BAD BAD BAD IDEA This is not a good cycle and you will hate yourself for it. It is very toxic, Both of these will shut you down and without some test in there you will be in a state of sexual dysfunction.

**Chev** · 09-15-2010, 07:52 AM

Not a good cycle man, you need to do some reseach.

**marcus300** · 09-15-2010, 08:08 AM

The cycle is awfull and you need to do alot more research on first cycles, try the education threads and use the search functions,

**Nukleuz** · 09-15-2010, 08:11 AM

Ok,

Noted... Thanks guys.

I did do a quiet a lot of research, and most of my searched on the subjected popped up with nothing I can really understand, had no reasons not to use it.
And the people I spoke advised me to do this cycle. Two guys who have been cycling for years now, and the 3rd being the dealer.

I appreciate the advice and I will take to heart!

So you recon i should drop the winnie, and stick to only the just the anavar ?
Should i Maybe do the winnie at the end of the cycle or drop it all together?

And lastly, what are the doses I should be looking at?

Thanks!!

***D7M*** · 09-15-2010, 08:35 AM

It's usually a really poor idea to take cycle advice from your dealer, man.

**Nukleuz** · 09-15-2010, 08:42 AM

Well that's why I joined here....I want to find out as much as possible and learn.

So would appreciate some advice ...

***D7M*** · 09-15-2010, 08:49 AM

There's no rush.

Take your time and read through some threads, the stickies at the top, and you'll learn alot pretty quickly.

**supe3** · 09-15-2010, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Nukleuz

Ok,

Noted... Thanks guys.

I did do a quiet a lot of research, and most of my searched on the subjected popped up with nothing I can really understand, had no reasons not to use it.
And the people I spoke advised me to do this cycle. Two guys who have been cycling for years now, and the 3rd being the dealer.

I appreciate the advice and I will take to heart!

So you recon i should drop the winnie, and stick to only the just the anavar ?
Should i Maybe do the winnie at the end of the cycle or drop it all together?

And lastly, what are the doses I should be looking at?

Thanks!!

Where is the "RSA" at? These types of american english slang, phrases and idioms are not very common outside the US. are you Afrikaner?

**Nukleuz** · 09-15-2010, 09:04 AM

I am outside the US.

The RSA is the Republic of South Africa. But no I am not afrikaans

**supe3** · 09-15-2010, 09:14 AM

Afrikaner is a "white african" of mostly european descent. I wasnt asking if you were black. were you born in there?

**supe3** · 09-15-2010, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Nukleuz;535***6

I am outside the US.

The RSA is the Republic of South Africa. But no I am not afrikaans

"Afrikaans" is a spoken language not a group of people. Isnt it?

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-15-2010, 09:28 AM

**supe3** · 09-15-2010, 09:41 AM

Nukleuz

**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 09-15-2010, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by supe3

Nukleuz

**Nukleuz** · 09-16-2010, 12:46 AM

Guys can we please stick on the topic, if you want to chat about South Africa, I don't mind, but we can do that in another thread.

I'm really looking for some good advice.

Would Chlomid as a PCT be sufficient?

**TKO Performance** · 09-16-2010, 02:50 PM

First off you need to visit the diet forum and make sure that your diet in in check, otherwise using any steroid is a waste of time and money as you will not keep the gains you make once off the cycle, and on cycle gains will be disappointing.

Second, for a first cycle you could go with Anavar only if you aren't looking for mass. You will get leaner and more cut with maybe another 5-7lbs of lean mass added (this assumes diet and cardio to get the best results). For 8 weeks I'd dose at 50mg/day. I would take Live 52, Milk Thistle, Liver Juice, or the AR-R liver support supplement the entire time you're on the cycle. To combat libido issues you can simply use Avena Sativa and Tribulus at 2-4 and 5-8gms a day respectively. PCT should be either Nolva at 20/20/20 or Clomid at 50/50/50 (mg/day for three weeks).

**Nukleuz** · 09-17-2010, 12:35 AM

Hi TKO,

Thanks man! That is the first reply with actual useful information.

I'm going to take your advice. Drop the winnie and stick to the anavar only.
My diet is in check as well as my training. Will keep you guys updated of the results!

Really appreciate it

**Stay Solid** · 09-17-2010, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Nukleuz

Hi TKO,

Thanks man! That is the first reply with actual useful information.

I'm going to take your advice. Drop the winnie and stick to the anavar only.
My diet is in check as well as my training. Will keep you guys updated of the results!

Really appreciate it

Naw u've been givin alot of useful information POOR first cycle man. There are plenty of educational threads on first cycles do some research.

i suggest reading this as well
When you SHOULDN'T use AAS imho....

**Nukleuz** · 09-20-2010, 01:19 AM

Thanks for all the advice guys.

I have decided to go for the VAR only at 40mg per day for 8 weeks for my first cycle.
Safer option and Going to do a lot of reading and learning before my next one

Will keep you updated.

**azz10** · 09-21-2010, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by TKO Performance

First off you need to visit the diet forum and make sure that your diet in in check, otherwise using any steroid is a waste of time and money as you will not keep the gains you make once off the cycle, and on cycle gains will be disappointing.

Second, for a first cycle you could go with Anavar only if you aren't looking for mass. You will get leaner and more cut with maybe another 5-7lbs of lean mass added (this assumes diet and cardio to get the best results). For 8 weeks I'd dose at 50mg/day. I would take Live 52, Milk Thistle, Liver Juice, or the AR-R liver support supplement the entire time you're on the cycle. To combat libido issues you can simply use Avena Sativa and Tribulus at 2-4 and 5-8gms a day respectively. PCT should be either Nolva at 20/20/20 or Clomid at 50/50/50 (mg/day for three weeks).

i second TKO's cycle advice. i've done var only cycle in the past with 60mg/day for 8 weeks. and PCT using Nolva at 40/20/20. that will be a good start given its your first cycle. but definately read up more to educate yourself about cycles and the effects of various compounds.

**Morgoth** · 09-21-2010, 06:52 AM

Keep us updated.

azz10, did you experiance any aggression/rage issues on your Anavar cycle?

**spiketannin** · 09-21-2010, 12:11 PM

var at 40 mg isnt gonna do much for you imho

**Nukleuz** · 10-20-2010, 02:42 AM

Just an update:

I am in my 5th week on my Anavar only cycle.
I can see from last week my strength has climbed, so much that my gym partner ( who I havent told about my cycle )
is asking me If i am injecting or what?

I can definitely see fat loss as well.

very very happy. 3 weeks left