Question about this cycle

**timjitsu** · 09-15-2010, 07:26 PM

10 Weeks Anavar 50mg Every Day
6 Weeks Winstrol 50mg Every Day

Week 11: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
Week 12: 30mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 13: 20mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

would i run the risk of loss of libido with this cycle? should i throw some test-p in there?

**scotty51312** · 09-15-2010, 07:50 PM

you would definitley run the risk. Even with anavar theres a risk a slight one but risk is risk. Winny will only add to the shut down. If you don't mind the EOD pins prop would be a good option.

**timjitsu** · 09-15-2010, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by scotty51312

you would definitley run the risk. Even with anavar theres a risk a slight one but risk is risk. Winny will only add to the shut down. If you don't mind the EOD pins prop would be a good option.

What if I did mind? What would be better?

**scotty51312** · 09-15-2010, 08:15 PM

Would be better but you'd still need liver support supps. What are your stats?

**Bertuzzi** · 09-15-2010, 08:20 PM

Always post your stats when asking questions... I looked them up in your old posts this time

I don't like the idea of Var and Winni all rolled into one like this, but maybe thats just me. What are your goals with this cycle?

I would drop the win or var whichever you choose and run it with prop ed or eod. I don't have any personal experience with winni therefore can't give an honest opinion about it, but I have used var and like the results. Although I must disagree with scotty and the shutting down thing. Everyone is going to react different but Anavar almost shut me down entirely and yes I had blood work done to verify it.

You could also drop the win and just run Var only, but I recommend upping the dose if you do.... 80mg/ed.

I think you rethink your PCT as well.

You can lower the nolve dose big time and even the clomid, especially if you only run Var.

PCT Example:

Clomid: 50mg/ed for 4 week

Nolva: 40/40/20/20

Good Luck

Edit.... Sorry I re-read your original post and I realized I misunderstood your Planned PCT.... You can disregard my PCT info

**timjitsu** · 09-15-2010, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by scotty51312

Would be better but you'd still need liver support supps. What are your stats?

" " would be better?
24
6'1"
210lbs
12% BF
Diet good but on phone too much to type
6 years of training
Looking to gain strength without gaining size/weight

**scotty51312** · 09-15-2010, 08:34 PM

if you're looking to gain strength without much weight Var is the best option

**_ripp3d_** · 09-15-2010, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by timjitsu

" " would be better?
24
6'1"
210lbs
12% BF
Diet good but on phone too much to type
6 years of training
Looking to gain strength without gaining size/weight

Can I ask why you don't want to gain size/weight? Its almost certain that you'd gain some sort of what but I guess if your diet was in-check you could get the results you want..

**timjitsu** · 09-15-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by _ripp3d_

Can I ask why you don't want to gain size/weight? Its almost certain that you'd gain some sort of what but I guess if your diet was in-check you could get the results you want..

because im a BJJ competitor. and if i gain anymore weight im gunna be in the unlimited weight bracket. which is too heavy for me. im planning on cutting to 205. when you get into weight classes above 205 you get guys with not much technique and just muscle you to death. which is no fun for me cuz if i wanted to use muscle then i woulda took on wrestling haha

**_ripp3d_** · 09-15-2010, 09:51 PM

Ok now that makes sense to me. I am guessing your diet is in-check since you do compete, I would post in the diet forum just to ensure.

But back to your initial question, Id go with the var.

**jerseyboy811** · 09-15-2010, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by timjitsu

" " would be better?
24
6'1"
210lbs
12% BF
Diet good but on phone too much to type
6 years of training
Looking to gain strength without gaining size/weight

In reply to you minding shooting EOD, Test E doesn't require you to shoot as often, or any of the other long ester Tests. Though short ester Tests are usually used in cutting cycles, since it looks like you're probably taking orals it probably wouldn't be too big of a problem if you do Test E once / week.

**timjitsu** · 09-15-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by jerseyboy811

In reply to you minding shooting EOD, Test E doesn't require you to shoot as often, or any of the other long ester Tests. Though short ester Tests are usually used in cutting cycles, since it looks like you're probably taking orals it probably wouldn't be too big of a problem if you do Test E once / week.

what do you think would be a good dose that wont put on weight?

**timjitsu** · 09-15-2010, 11:15 PM

also i did some reading on Proviron . would that keep my Libido intact without having to use test? anyone have experience with it?

**Bertuzzi** · 09-15-2010, 11:46 PM

Ok... this thread is getting scary... it appears to me, that many are in here giving advice without any personal experience. Like I stated earlier, I have no experience with winni so I did not offer an opinion on it.... based on what I am reading, the guys giving the advice sound like they don't have personal experience with the Compounds you are inquiring about..... what I am trying to say is.... do some looking around, educate yourself a little.

If you are worried about gaining weight.... Anavar will still cause weight gain. I don't know what to tell you.... if you are o the brink of going over in weight classes, don't take any form of AAS until you can cut down some of your weight.

Good Luck

**timjitsu** · 09-15-2010, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bertuzzi

Ok... this thread is getting scary... it appears to me, that many are in here giving advice without any personal experience. Like I stated earlier, I have no experience with winni so I did not offer an opinion on it.... based on what I am reading, the guys giving the advice sound like they don't have personal experience with the Compounds you are inquiring about..... what I am trying to say is.... do some looking around, educate yourself a little.

If you are worried about gaining weight.... Anavar will still cause weight gain. I don't know what to tell you.... if you are o the brink of going over in weight classes, don't take any form of AAS until you can cut down some of your weight.

Good Luck

i appreciate your input Bertuzzi. ive been doing nothing but reading.the reason i posted this was to get opinions from guys who have had experience with this particular stuff. cuz i want to get info from both sides before i make my decision.

**_ripp3d_** · 09-16-2010, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by timjitsu

i appreciate your input Bertuzzi. ive been doing nothing but reading.the reason i posted this was to get opinions from guys who have had experience with this particular stuff. cuz i want to get info from both sides before i make my decision.

Try finding some logs on the compounds you are interested in taking. And like I said before your diet is what matters, AAS is just gonna help get you there faster.