All you need is Test!!! Informational Thread

[Ronnie Rowland]

After reading through a lot threads the other day and realizing just how many people use tren, EQ, halo, var, etc and other "exotic" drugs wayyyy before ever needed in their AAS career, I thought I would post this. ALL YOU NEED IS TEST RIGHT NOW!!! I myself have even been guilty thinking I need more than just an increase test dosage. All this talk about stacking and finding the perfect cycle, my god, back in the day Test was the ONLY thing available and people grew FINE. Much better than half the people on these forums running all of these exotic compounds gain. Save those things for MUCH farther down the road, it will save you so much time and money and you'll achieve better gains and still have the open door to use those compounds in the future, thus furthering gains when everyone else has stalled. It's one thing for vets to be using those compounds after 15+ years of AAS usage, when gains from 2-3g+ test have slowed down, but not after your 3rd cycle with less than 600mg/wk. Ask any pro BB, if you can't grow off of 1g of test, YOUR DIET AND TRAINING SUCKS. You sure as hell don't need to be adding more compounds. This isn't a thread bashing other compounds, not at all, it's just to remind people or bring to light that you should save those compounds for down the road when you truly are running out of options when running 2-3g test a week and it's time to switch it up. It's amazing to me people after 1-3 cycles are already on here looking for a new drug other than test. It's simply not necessary when you could increase the test dosage and grow just fine. Of course this is dependent upon training and diet, but ANY cycle is dependent upon that, thus their is no need to use ANYTHING other than test this early in the game. I know how hard it is to want to try "the next best thing," but in reality, TEST IS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS, and it's right in front of you. I know most of you will blow this post off and continue looking for that "perfect stack" with 5 compounds in it on your 4th cycle for god knows what reason, but hopefully 1 or 2 of you will take it to heart. And when you do, I bet you'll be stoked when you realize all you had to do was take more test. Thanks for reading! -Stiff

This is what we vets have been trying to tell people. Too many people start stacking and wonder why they have all these side effects. TEST IS BEST AND CAN BE USED ALONE TO MAKE GREAT GAINS AS EVERY STEROID PRIMARILY HITS THE SAME RECEPTOR. EVEN THOUGH THEY HIT THE SAME RECEPTOR DIFFERENT SIDE EFFECTS OCCUR WITH EACH DRUG. OTHER COMPOUNDS CAN BE GOOD AT TIMES FOR SOME. example-pros and cons of various drugs commonly used: DECA (NO LIBIDO) BUT GREAT FOR HELPING YOU LIFT HEAVIER WEIGHTS IF YOU HAVE JOINT PROBLEMS. TREN (INSOMNIA,BREATHING PROBLEMS AND AGITATION) BUT A GOOD COMPOUND TO HARDEN THE MUSCULATURE. D-BOL (KIDNEY PAIN AND SLEEPINESS) BUT GOOD FOR BREAKING STRENGTH PLATEAUS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE MORE ADVANCED WHO RUN OUT OF SITES TO INJECT MORE TEST. ALSO, IT CAN PUT SOME SIZE ON YOU AS WELL THAT WOULD OTHERWISE TAKE A LOT OF PAINFUL INJECTIONS WITH VERY HIGH DOSAGES OF TEST EQ CAN CAUSE (ANXIETY AND AGITATION) BUT CAN INCREASE APPETITE FOR THOSE WHO NEED TO GAIN WEIGHT. ANADROL (NAUSEA, AGITATION AND LIVER STRAIN) BUT CAN INCREASE STRENGTH LIKE NO OTHER FOR SOME. I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT TEST SHOULD ALWAYS THE BASE OF YOUR CYCLES AND CAN BE USED ALONE. TEST INCREASES SEX DRIVE AND MOOD WHERE AS OTHER STEROIDS CAN DO THE OPPOSITE. THIS IS WHY TEST SHOULD BE RAN WITH OTHER DRUGS TO COMBAT SIDE EFFECTS.

[Dukkit]

I agree, FOR NEWBIES that a few test only cycles at first is all thats needed.

Only to a certain point. To the OP... You keep throwing out the # 220lbs. I know its just an example #

But I will say again... its dependent on the person. Height and body structure play a huge determining factor in that.

Though after a certain dose, its not a problem to run other compounds

I mean, lets say you run a few cycles of test. Slowly bumping up your dose for the diff cycles.

Eventually you get to a 1000mg (gram) a week of test.

At that point, you should def have a solid muscle base.

So then lower your test dose and add in another compound.
Lets say 500 test, and 400 Deca.

That way your gear total doesnt go over 1000mg (gram) per week.

[P90]

awesome post, keeping things simple works!

[Callsign]

I think test is all most of us will ever need, but it may be beneficial to add hgh to the mix, if you can afford it.

[Stiffmeister]

I agree, FOR NEWBIES that a few test only cycles at first is all thats needed.

Only to a certain point. To the OP... You keep throwing out the # 220lbs. I know its just an example #

But I will say again... its dependent on the person. Height and body structure play a huge determining factor in that.

Though after a certain dose, its not a problem to run other compounds

I mean, lets say you run a few cycles of test. Slowly bumping up your dose for the diff cycles.

Eventually you get to a 1000mg (gram) a week of test.

At that point, you should def have a solid muscle base.

So then lower your test dose and add in another compound.
Lets say 500 test, and 400 Deca.

That way your gear total doesnt go over 1000mg (gram) per week.

220 is just a number but a damn good one. Most people at 220lbs indeed have a solid base, thus the reason to start using more compounds. I have relatively crappy genetics and I know I can get to 220 easily just by using test. If I can, anyone can.... The worst part is, most people have a shitty diet and training routine so they think they need another compound when in fact, it won't help either.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

220lbs means absolutely squat when you don't mention any height whatsoever. 220 at 6'6 for example is pathetic, but for 5'10, it's god-like assuming it's muscle

[Hazard]

220lbs means absolutely squat when you don't mention any height whatsoever. 220 at 6'6 for example is pathetic, but for 5'10, it's god-like assuming it's muscle

EXACTLY!

I'm 6'1" 245lbs and my friend is 5'7" 215lbs yet he looks WAAAYYYYYYYYYYY more muscular than me. Look at the under 202lbs division in bodybuilding. Those guys are short but look ridiculous at 200lbs.

220lbs is a fair number for anyone over 6' IMO..... if you can't get to 220 on just test at 6'..... you're doing something wrong.

~Haz~

[Stiffmeister]

EXACTLY!

I'm 6'1" 245lbs and my friend is 5'7" 215lbs yet he looks WAAAYYYYYYYYYYY more muscular than me. Look at the under 202lbs division in bodybuilding. Those guys are short but look ridiculous at 200lbs.

220lbs is a fair number for anyone over 6' IMO..... if you can't get to 220 on just test at 6'..... you're doing something wrong.

~Haz~

F*ck if you can't get to 220lb at 5'8" with just test that's pathetic. 220 was just a number....no shit it won't mean anything if someone is 6'6". Problem is, not many people are 6'6" thus the reason I said 220lbs because 95% of them are between 5'8" - 6'0" which is a solid weight at that height range. ONLY reason I through out 220lb. Of course there will be individual variables to how youd have to look to be huge, but 220lbs for the average height these day (assuming it's muscle) is a pretty good base.

[Hazard]

F*ck if you can't get to 220lb at 5'8" with just test that's pathetic. 220 was just a number....no shit it won't mean anything if someone is 6'6". Problem is, not many people are 6'6" thus the reason I said 220lbs because 95% of them are between 5'8" - 6'0" which is a solid weight at that height range. ONLY reason I through out 220lb. Of course there will be individual variables to how youd have to look to be huge, but 220lbs for the average height these day (assuming it's muscle) is a pretty good base.

i'm going to post a picture of my friend......

5'7" 215lbs - he was 200lbs in the picture and he's only 9% bodyfat.....



I'm not trying to be a dick here..... but 220lbs at 5'7" is not a walk in the park.....

May I ask how tall you are and what you weigh?

~Haz~

[Far from massive]

I agree wholeheartedly with your post unfortunately, like so many idiots before me I jumped all over the easy availability and conversion of tren, its been 10 days on my first cycle and I have separated some TNE unfortunately suspending it in a manner where the injections are painfree has so far been quite a challenge. I think that is one of the big problems with people using tren is its just so easy to jump on the tren express...however I hear its a pain to get off before a tren wreck occurs. Hopefully I will figure out a good way to suspend in oil or find a good source for the PS 80 to do a water based batch.

PS the pinning 2-3 per day does not bother me at all, its just the peg leg that I mind.

By the way any suggestions on how to "taper"? off the Tren, would be appreciated, unfortunately my dose has been approx 75 a day, should I redure to 50 ed or 75 eod? I should I just shut up, quite making suggestions and wait for someone with some knowlege to answer

[Stiffmeister]

Haz - I never once said it's a cakewalk to get to 220lbs. I would think a respected member like yourself would know how to check my stats under my profile. Im 5'8" 205lbs (was 202 but im gaining even after my last cycle) currently completely AAS free until my winter bulker coming up in a few months. I have crappy genetics, and I know I can get to a lean 220 relatively early in my AAS career. Mostly because my diet and training are tuned. As for your friend, he looks solid at 5'7...not really sure why you showed me his pic?

[Hazard]

My point was that 220lbs is just a number..... I agreed with everything you said up until you started throwing 220lbs around like it was the law. You might think you have crappy genetics..... my friend might have crappy genetics...... another guy might have great genetics. Everyone is different and we can't use a single weight to justify what one person "should" be able achieve. A lot of things come into play such as bone structure and density, genetics, etc.....

as one can see form the pic I posted..... 200lbs is rather large for someone who's 5'7. He was 145 most of his life and diet and training got him to 175lbs. Testosterone helped him go past 200lbs. His weight is now hitting a big wall and I would rather use a stack like deca and test at lower dosages to go further - rather than jack the testostone up to 1500mg's.

There is a lot of good info in your post..... lets just not get so hung up on a number.

BTW I didn't care enough to go look for your stats. I figured if you felt like posting them you would.....

~Haz~

[Stiffmeister]

And I've fully said that I know 220 is just a number. So is 170, 180, 190, and people get judged on this forum based on numbers all day long. Anyhow, if your friend needs either a low dose test/deca or 1500mgs test something is really wrong. I highly doubt he has gone over 1g let alone 1500mgs at only 215. That is my point, he doesnt need more compounds NOR does he need 1500mgs test in order to grow. It's weird you mention the low end of the spectrum with "low dose test/deca" and then "1500mg/s of test" at the other end, why can't it be something in the middle? I wouldn't know because I have no idea what your friends cycle history is, but if he has to resort to 1500mgs of test just to grow at all at 215lbs, then like I said, something is wrong with diet and training. You should be SLOWLY increasing the dosage of AAS because you will have to increase the dose every time most likely.

BTW you didn't care enough to look at them, but you cared enough to ask for them multiple times? Very confusing, but nonetheless I get your point and I agree, thus leaving my to wonder why we're arguing in the first place...

[Hazard]

And I've fully said that I know 220 is just a number. So is 170, 180, 190, and people get judged on this forum based on numbers all day long. Anyhow, if your friend needs either a low dose test/deca or 1500mgs test something is really wrong. I highly doubt he has gone over 1g let alone 1500mgs at only 215. That is my point, he doesnt need more compounds NOR does he need 1500mgs test in order to grow. It's weird you mention the low end of the spectrum with "low dose test/deca" and then "1500mg/s of test" at the other end, why can't it be something in the middle? I wouldn't know because I have no idea what your friends cycle history is, but if he has to resort to 1500mgs of test just to grow at all at 215lbs, then like I said, something is wrong with diet and training. You should be SLOWLY increasing the dosage of AAS because you will have to increase the dose every time most likely.

BTW you didn't care enough to look at them, but you cared enough to ask for them multiple times? Very confusing, but nonetheless I get your point and I agree, thus leaving my to wonder why we're arguing in the first place...

He does not run 1500mg's test..... I meant that he'd rather run a lower dose of test with a low dose of deca than increase his testosterone like you would suggest. see the quote below. Aparantly you advocate going up to 2 grams of test before throwing in another compound. Also.... you say he'd be doing something wrong if he was using 1500mg's of test to get to 220 but in the bold area below you refferance 230-240 and doing up to 2,000mg's. I just flat out don't agree with someone doing 1 gram of test before the utilize a stack with lower dosages. IMO..... it's safe to use 500mg's test with 400mg's deca than it is to go above 1,000mg's of test.

Glad to see more people are reading this than I thought. Yes, people need to at least run up 1g of test/wk ONLY before they start using other compounds just to see if that may be all they need. Think about it, if you could reach your goals using only test you'd be way ahead of the game. Plus if you feel down the road 230-240lb just isn't enough and you wan to pack on more size but test is starting to lose is effectiveness after 1-2g+, then add other compounds and continue to grow using minimal amounts of compounds. IMO it sounds like a great way to save money, avoid other sides, and build a solid base before you start using more exotic compounds. I guarantee any pro BB when they started using AAS used test only for quite some time and built a solid base at 220-240, then started using other compounds. I highly doubt they were 200lbs give or take a few and started guzzling down tren and other AAS besides test. They simply didn't need the other ones then. Once again, this isn't a thread to bash other AAS in any way, shape or form. It's simply to let people realize that test is still the king, and unless you're already a big dude (230+), I see no need to use other compounds. IMO if your diet and training are spot on, alot of test should pretty easily get you to 230.

Regarding your stats..... I did not ask you multiple times - I asked you once..... and since I don't feel like searching around for your bodyfat percentage or a picture either - i'll just ask you if you want to post it up. If not.... I understand. I wasn't trying to argue with you in the first place..... but you seem so set on one thing. While you can make excellent progress on just testosterone..... other drugs and stacks come into play and in many cases.... I believe it's safer than running over a gram of testosterone. I myself havn't gone over 750mg's of test and don't really want to..... I prefer other compounds to do the muscle building but testosterone is always my base.

Have a nice day

~Haz~

[AlphaMaleDawg]

wrong thread

[Stiffmeister]

I apologize, I must have seen the same post twice when reading. You did only ask once. As for your test dosage, why wouldnt you go past 750mg/wk? I mean in terms of safety, adding another compound like tren for example has worse sides then 1g week test.

[number twelve]

What about bloat from such a high dose of test

[Hazard]

I apologize, I must have seen the same post twice when reading. You did only ask once. As for your test dosage, why wouldnt you go past 750mg/wk? I mean in terms of safety, adding another compound like tren for example has worse sides then 1g week test.

I have a few reasons.....

I like having test in there for sexual function and yes it's good for mass. However..... Tren is 7 times more anabolic and 5 times more androgenic. I don't get many sides from tren aside from sweating. I don't use tren all the time tho..... i've used other compounds. Now ofcoarse I wouldn't advise anyone new to use tren off the bat lol..... but what I believe is someone should start around 500mg's test for their first few cycles. After that add in a kick start..... after that add in a compound like deca. By that point..... someone should have a really nice build. If they wish to continue..... increase the test to 600 and keep the deca dosage and maybe increase the kickstart dosage..... etc.....

My thing is..... test is best..... however using higher and higher dosages (up over 1g) isn't necessary for quite a while. All in all.... I don't see the need for anyone to go much over 1500mg's of total compounds. Lasly..... it'll be far cheaper to run 500 test and 400 deca than it will be to run over a gram of test..... atleast it is for me.

I mean no disrespect to you...... I don't mean to attack you personally.

Cheers
~Haz~

[tembe]

very interesting..

just curious haz

are you running gh as well?

[UMFan]

I've gotten a lot of advice recently saying to start a Test cycle with a front load of dbol for several weeks. The reasoning I've gotten is that the Test is relatively slow to kick in and dbol will kick start gains pretty effectively. Do u guys think this is solid advice?

[Hazard]

very interesting..

just curious haz

are you running gh as well?

I did for 6 months but stopped due to the controversies with chinas GH.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

I've gotten a lot of advice recently saying to start a Test cycle with a front load of dbol for several weeks. The reasoning I've gotten is that the Test is relatively slow to kick in and dbol will kick start gains pretty effectively. Do u guys think this is solid advice?

Do you need a kickstart your 1st cycle.... no. But IMO..... it's not bad advice either. Here's why.....

Normally you would keep your 1st cycle to one compound to see how your body responds to that compound. If you are running test E you really wont feel much within the 1st four weeks - so if you ran a lower dosage of Dbol..... you'll be feeling that for those 1st weeks. It's also allows for more growth time as you wont see much growth in the 1st few weeks with Test E.

It's a personal decision really.....

~Haz~

[UMFan]

Haz, thanks for the input. Would that also be true with a Test C cycle?

[Stiffmeister]

No disrespect taken bro. What works for you, works for you aha. I do agree with you that other compounds with test instead of just test itself will provide more gains overall. I actually have to say this argument has had me rethink my winter bulker. But mostly because my goals may be different than someone else.

[D7M]

Nice debate guys.

But I'm 100% with Haz on this one.

I like the idea behind your thread Stiff, and I agree that most guys are jumping into more advanced drugs way to quickly.

But I also think it's somewhat silly to advise someone to go up 1-2grams of test a week before adding in another compound.

Here's my take on that:

-That type of thinking encourages people to bump up their test too high and too quickly.

-Not everyone is the same. I love test. I'll be on it for the rest of my life. But I put on more mass with 19nors, hands down.

-Sides. Personally I got more sides with my test 1+g a week, than I did with say test 500/deca 400.

[Stiffmeister]

And like I said when I apologized to Haz, I agree totally and didn't mean to exaggerate the test dosage. It was purely a post to steer people on their 2nd-3rd cycle away from harsher compounds when test can be used just as effectively because their body is new to it. Although I must say up to 1g I feel is perfectly acceptable. Also, I really doubt if 1g test prop/wk has more sides (bloat, gyno, progest issues, BP, etc) than say 500mg/wk test and 500mg/wk deca or tren. When you add 19nors to the equation now you have to think about estro & progesterone. IMO the only reason i'd add say tren, is becuase im so interested in strength gains while gaining mass. I feel shitty when I gain mass but not much strength comes with it. But to everyone their own, we just prefer diff things. But point definitely taken and should also be noted.

[Hazard]

And like I said when I apologized to Haz, I agree totally and didn't mean to exaggerate the test dosage. It was purely a post to steer people on their 2nd-3rd cycle away from harsher compounds when test can be used just as effectively because their body is new to it. Although I must say up to 1g I feel is perfectly acceptable. Also, I really doubt if 1g test prop/wk has more sides (bloat, gyno, progest issues, BP, etc) than say 500mg/wk test and 500mg/wk deca or tren. When you add 19nors to the equation now you have to think about estro & progesterone. IMO the only reason i'd add say tren, is becuase im so interested in strength gains while gaining mass. I feel shitty when I gain mass but not much strength comes with it. But to everyone their own, we just prefer diff things. But point definitely taken and should also be noted.

A gram a week of test isn't overboard IMO..... I'm sure theres a ton of guys out there that doit and i'm sure I wouldn't have too many sides from it. I really don't hold much water (tho some guys do) and even if I did retain some..... i'm sure Adex would take care of it. Theres definately a difference in the way you feel, the gains you make, and the strength you acquire when other compounds are added. However..... this thread was more geared to the newer guys and they CERTAINLY do not need more than test. One should really pay attention to how the exogenous testosterone makes them feel. You need to pay attention to the little details..... and also the big ones like blood pressure. This info becomes invaluable when you add other compounds in later on. It'll help you understand what's going on in your body.

I'm actually glad we debated theres a ton of good info in here LOL!

~Haz~

[Stiffmeister]

ahah I agree bro, I went into it thinking shit here's another argument but i've actually taken something away from it lol.

[big_ron]

Good read fellas, one thing i do hate is seeing people use tren in there 2nd cycle! no need for it at all.

[LM79]

Yes i agree great read.

Do you recomend any type of test for a beginner? My plan is to run test prop only for my second cycle with the idea it will be quicker to get into PCT and recover to keep any gains.

[bezzy]

looking for my next cycle at the mo... you have defo made me think about what to do...what about if i did a good test with dbol?? and what test do you recomend? whats your opinion on supertests?? my stats are

24
5ft8
86kg
16% fat

[Stiffmeister]

You need to use the search function and do some reading. Or please start your own thread, then we will be glad to answer your questions.

[Dukkit]

Im 220 lbs.

Guess that means I can use some other compounds!!!!

Whooooo!! Tren here I come!

Thanks for giving me permission to abuse AAS guys!

lmao

[JuliusPleaser]

you guys are all stupid...

the best way to take test is to take the raw powder and snort it...

I snort 1g a week... also, YOU MUST STACK it for best results with Muscle Tech Hardcore series products...I mean you have to buy each product, remove it from capsules if its in capsules, take scoops of the poweders, and put them all into a giant bowl with the 10gs (10 week snort cycle) to get the ultimate results... you then have to keep it refrigerated cause it will go bad at room tempurature..and take it when you wake up in the AM with no carbs...

you guys all read FLEX and see what the pro's really use... they don't take steroids!!! It all Muscle Tech AND STEROIDS!!! but research shows that most of the gains indeed come mostly from the muscle tech products...

ANYWAY...its a joke haha

my experience on the whole subject at hand...

I was one of those idiots who took juice in highschool trying to be like arnold..ive done every drug and diff types of cycles...only to learn years later that nutrition is the NUMBER one player...now finally im growing like a beat because im doing things right, eating 8 times a day, getting sleep and all that...

most people i think, like i used to, believe in short cuts by taking more drugs...from my expereince there is no short cuts and i learned the hard way....

now im trying ronnies STS and its working great...From now on, im only gonna take TEST AND TREN...**** every other compound out there...I dont get anysides from tren so i guess consider myself lucky, but ive tried every drug out there and honestly, TREN was the most noticable and effective at a mere 400mgs a week... TEST and TREN...

as for HAZ, i too was taking GH from CHina, infact, riptropin for 6 months...didn't see much results...so i started taking Noridtropin (human grade), expensive as hell but i finally realized that GH really, unless ur taking it to cause hyperplasmia (8iu+) is totally a waste of money, esp that I dont plan on going pro...

to achieve fat loss we can do other things like diet correctly and take ECA , t3 or clen combos...

I can afford GH but the point of it why?...my goal isto look the the bodybuldiers in the 70's, not todays guys...and the 70's achieved those physiques without GH...so i have decided to drop off the GH band wagon.....when i turn 30, ill prob jump on gh again just for anti aging...just my opinion

[bezzy]

allready posted it on q&a heres the link if u would reply http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...and-dbol-cycle

[BOBfromfightclub]

I think as stated before by some people that Deca may be "needed".
If you've got to the point where your lifting insane amounts of weight, i think it would probably be dumb not to cover your joints.
I dont think ill ever have the guts to inject deca...then again I haven't done my first cycle of any thing yet. Who knows

[powerws]

It's what I'm going to do. 500mg wk. 12 weeks.

[Stiffmeister]

Bump

[Stiffmeister]

edit** my bad, havin some net issues with the site. This new format is killin' me

[Stiffmeister]

as for dukkits post, bro how the hell was that helpful to this thread? And with almost 60k posts, I agree you prolly are 220lb, not the good way either........IMO if all you're getting from this thread is "im over 220lb then I can use tren" then my god you need to stop being a post whore and actually start READING.