I downloaded Mick Hart's 2 Laymans books.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-20-2003, 09:32 AM

Because I really believe you guys when you say EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE!!!!! For anyone who is new to this (as I am) I believe paying 29.00 and listening to you guys is priceless!!!!! (if you can't afford to educate yourselves, your in BIG trouble)

I started a cycle of trenbolene (150mg every 3 days) along with Primoblan S tabs and per you advice, it was a bad cycle, so I stopped!

Mick Hart suggests a beginner cycle like this one.

wk 1 - 3dbol 1 nov
wk 2 - 5dbol 1 nov
wk 3 - 8dbol 1 nov
wk 4 - 10dbol 1 nov
wk 5 - 10dbol 1nov
wk 6 - 8dbol 1 nov
wk 7 - 5dbol 1 nov
wk 8 - 3dbol 1 nov

what do you guys think of this? Isthis a safe beginner cycle? I am nervous about taking that many orals...If I decide to do the injection, can I just take a couple of injections week of dbol ? and from what I've learned on this board, I should also take test pro along with it? How then do I add this into my cycle and what is the dosage of dbol per week?

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-20-2003, 09:37 AM

oh by the way, I'm 5 8, 150 pounds and 35 years old....

**Aguro** · 02-20-2003, 10:29 AM

bump.
wanna know about that one..

**abstrack** · 02-20-2003, 10:30 AM

I read that guys shit,"Tears on a keyboard" and his other AS refrence.
For the weekly injection of d-bol--no
if your not scared and will do the shots then go with some test.
tons of cycles on the forum. Have you tried a good strict diet ?? what is your training like?? do these first and research on AS in the meantime

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-20-2003, 10:39 AM

My diet is great, though I have kept calories down before to loose weight. I have read thousands of posts and tons of cycles, but again, which one should I do? I want a safe one. I don't mind doing injections as long as I can do them 2 times a week...I know I can get Winstrol .....

**abstrack** · 02-20-2003, 10:44 AM

hehe, you want a safe one--kind of ironic--

- thats like saying i want a safe cigarette and whoich one should I smoke. your 5'8" 150, I wold say your diet could be better!! Not unless your 150 of shedded meat and bustin through walls?? that is really light for that frame. why do injections 2 times a week if you only have to do it once?? winstrol would be nice but not alone

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-20-2003, 10:53 AM

So, I can do Wintrol once a week, but what should I take with it? Whats a good beginner cycle with Winny?

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-20-2003, 10:54 AM

and instead of saying safe, I should of said "smart"

**abstrack** · 02-20-2003, 11:42 AM

no winstol not once a week unless your a women. you need to understand the half life of winny then use it. accordingly

**motoxxxguy** · 02-20-2003, 01:27 PM

Don't get too anxious...so down and keep reading...it will all become clearer...

moto

**strollin** · 02-20-2003, 01:36 PM

A good beginner cycle would be 100mg test prop eod for 1-2, 500mg test enth - cyp 2-12, 400mg deca 1-12. take some hcg , nolvadex post. and an anti-e while on.