Help with pct

**efiles123** · 10-02-2010, 09:55 AM

I'm planning my 2nd cycle of 600mg test e for 12-14 wks and anadrol to jumpstart first 4 wks. What dose of adrol should I run? Also for pct I would like to know how much hcg i should run after last inj and for how long? Then I will prob run nova 2 wks after last inj 40/40/20/20 and some clomid of ? mg.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-02-2010, 10:04 AM

Stats?

age
weight
height
bf
training experience
cycle experience
goals with this cycle

Out of courisity, what did your last PCT look like?

**efiles123** · 10-02-2010, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Stats?

age
weight
height
bf
training experience
cycle experience
goals with this cycle

Out of courisity, what did your last PCT look like?

24
210
5'10"
13-14%
8 yrs
Just finished first cycle of test e 500mg 12 wks and dbol jumpstart 30 mg 4 wks, I'm currently 5th week in my pct of nolva 40/40/20/20 (started 2 wks after last inj) and am feeling kinda shut down but others say I will feel good in another week or two. This is why I want to implement hcg and clomid in my next cycle and would like some advice of how to untilize these compounds. My goal on this next cycle is to bulk up for winter.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-02-2010, 10:17 AM

What dosages of each SERM are you currently running? 2 SERMS is more than enough to bounce you back from a Test/Oral only cycle unless your PCT dosages are very very low.

I personally hate the idea of HCG during PCT when you have many SERMS out there that will do the trick. In my experience, HCG administered pre-PCT felt superior instead of during.

**efiles123** · 10-02-2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

What dosages of each SERM are you currently running? 2 SERMS is more than enough to bounce you back from a Test/Oral only cycle unless your PCT dosages are very very low.

I personally hate the idea of HCG during PCT when you have many SERMS out there that will do the trick. In my experience, HCG administered pre-PCT felt superior instead of during.

I'm actually only running nova for this pct at 40/40/20/20 a day. For my next cycle I would like to use hcg after last inj but before pct, then use nolva and clomid. What doses of nova and clomid should i use? what dose of hcg?

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-02-2010, 10:38 AM

Are you sure you can recover from Nolva on standalone level from a 2 compounded cycle? I really think you should add another SERM just to be on the safe side. If not, then definitely get blood work done 6 weeks after your last Nolva administration to see how well you bounced back..

And I see what you mean about the HCG thing. That can be done.

**efiles123** · 10-02-2010, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Are you sure you can recover from Nolva on standalone level from a 2 compounded cycle? I really think you should add another SERM just to be on the safe side. If not, then definitely get blood work done 6 weeks after your last Nolva administration to see how well you bounced back..

And I see what you mean about the HCG thing. That can be done.

I hope my t levels will bounce back with just nova. I thought that is what most people use. I kinda wish i never ran dbol . It hardly did anything and prob what is making me shut down. Can you give me a layout for my pct for next cycle?

**efiles123** · 10-02-2010, 10:59 AM

Do you think I should bump nova back to 40mg a day since i feel like my energy is drained

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-02-2010, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by efiles123

I hope my t levels will bounce back with just nova. I thought that is what most people use. I kinda wish i never ran dbol. It hardly did anything and prob what is making me shut down. Can you give me a layout for my pct for next cycle?

You hope? Lol, get some clomid or torem bro. Hoping isn't the best solution and neither is 1 SERM unless you've tried it before and you know your body chemistry can bounce back that easily.

40/40/20/20N
50/50/50/50C
or
20/20/20/20/20N
120/100/60/60/30T

Originally Posted by efiles123

Do you think I should bump nova back to 40mg a day since i feel like my energy is drained

I think you should take heed to the advice above and get another SERM, or just prolong the Nolva an extra 2-3 weeks @ 20mg if you can't get or afford another SERM. Then BW a little bit after that.

**efiles123** · 10-02-2010, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

You hope? Lol, get some clomid or torem bro. Hoping isn't the best solution and neither is 1 SERM unless you've tried it before and you know your body chemistry can bounce back that easily.

40/40/20/20N
50/50/50/50C
or
20/20/20/20/20N
120/100/60/60/30T

I think you should take heed to the advice above and get another SERM, or just prolong the Nolva an extra 2-3 weeks @ 20mg if you can't get or afford another SERM. Then BW a little bit after that.

Alright thanks for all your help. I will pro-long pct another week or two and next time I will be prepared. Maybe I will get some clomid if my guy can ship asap, but he is sometimes slow. As for hcg on my next cylce what dose and when should I run it? Also what dose of a bomb you resommend? Again thanks for taking the time answering all my q's!!! I love this forum how you get such quick responses.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-02-2010, 11:30 AM

HCG 250iu 2x PW weeks 1-until PCT begins
Start the Drol @ 50mg and assess accordingly from there. Be sure to monitor your BP, this shit makes my BP go everwhere.

**efiles123** · 10-02-2010, 11:37 AM

Alright looks like I'm decided for my next cycle, I'm going to print this out. Thanks for all the help!!!

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-02-2010, 11:43 AM

Anytime.

Don't forget to run these throughout your entire cycle including PCT.
Celery seed extract 75mg 2X per day to assist in blood pressure
Vitamin C 3000mg PD
Lipid Stabil (3 caps/day) and Fish Oil (4 g/day) for cholesterol

**Far from massive** · 10-02-2010, 12:01 PM

HawiianPride,

I have some Liqidex for PCT from tren /TNE ( unfortunately I started the Tren before I knew a damn thing about AAS other than tren was very easy to extract and very powerful LOL) anyway I am on week 3 and plan to stop the tren by week 4 and then use the TNE for another 2 weeks to help the Tren crash. Then on to PCT, I unfortunately have some liver problems (from my past life) and the only AI ( at least through my research) that is not really hard on the liver is the Liquidex, from what I have read this also seems to be the least effective of the AI's but do you feel it will help with PCT since the others particularly Tamox are not an option?

Stats 55 yr old male, 6"1" 210lbs have been running nightly the past 2 years as well as lifting 3 times a week.

PS My gains and losses have been great while on the cycle, I have gained an inch to my arms so far and probably gone from about 25% bf down to about 15%. I know after reading on this site that I should have never started a cycle with my BF this high, however without the information on diet I learned here I was having no luck getting my body fat below about 25% even walking/running 5 miles a night. I know my first cycle was a major screw-up.. but live and learn it is what it is and this is where I am at currently.