EQs affect on tendons/joints

[IMunchRoidz]

Hey guys, i've been researching compounds that promote collagen synthesis, (mainly because i have some tendon problems), currently, im thinking bout running test e (weeks 1-12) and anavar (1-6) for my 1st cycle which is still pretty far away.

From what ive read, there is a large debate on whether or not EQ affects collagen or not, and I don't know if I should add it into my cycle. (Maybe that is too many compounds for my first cycle, but im worried bout my tendons lol)
(i dont really want to use deca cos of the side effects)


Any help?

[gymnerd]

Reason for the debate on EQ is cause it was never intended for human use so there are not going to be any studies on it proving it either way. I personally think it does as I dont get as many tendon problems when on EQ. VAR did nothing for my joints. Deca will increase joint fluid but im pretty sure there is no real evidence it increases collagen either I may be wrong and if I am im sure someone will happily point it out but iv not seen anything on it.

BTW thats wayy too many compounds for ur first cycle. Try like 400mg of test and 200mg of deca, that will help ur joints and I highly doubt you will get any sides at that dose.

[HawaiianPride.]

Off the top of my head, EQ does not store synovial fluid in the joints as Deca would. And if it does, it certainly wouldn't do it to a certain degree to where you would have pain free workouts and alleviate joint issues.

Without stats I can't offer cycle advise but I can say 3 compounds is way too much for a first cycle.

[gymnerd]

TRUE, I prob spoke out of turn.

[HawaiianPride.]

I'm willing to bet it wasn't the EQ that helped your joints/tendons. When I get water retention from a simple test cycle, it can help in joint soreness.

[IMunchRoidz]

thanks guys..

is 400mg of test e and 300mg of deca for 12 weeks alright for a first cycle?

[TKO Performance]

First off, if you are actively having tendon issues do not cycle. You need to have those dealt with prior to cycling, otherwise no matter what you take you are going to exacerbate the tendon issues as you muscles get stronger and your tendons don't.

Second, what you have heard about is progesterone modulated collagen synthesis, and/or estrogen modulated anti inflammatory reaction. Deca, Anavar, and EQ will all provide this. There are pros and cons to running test with these compounds if tendon relief is your primary goal. Test will aromatize to estro, which will boost the anti inflammatory response and reduce pain, provided you don't kill your estro levels too much with an AI. Obviously that's a pro. The con is that some test with reduce to DHT. DHT competes with progesterone at the receptor and will actually reduce collagen synthesis. Obviously that's a con. There are drugs that can reduce the formation of DHT through isoenzyme control like Finasteride and Dutasteride, but I've never heard of anyone taking them for this purpose.

Third, there is no direct research that proves that any of these compounds will cure tendon issues. The increase in collagen synthesis is well documented. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence. However no direct link as of yet. The key to tendon repair is only partially helped by additional collagen synthesis. You have to understand that there are two types of collagen that come into play; T1 and T3. How those two are used, the ratio in a healthy tendon vs a damaged one, and other factors play into how a tendon is repaired to the point where it is as strong as it was prior to injury.

The bottom line is that if you are actively injured seek treatment prior to using any steroid. If you are seeking to simply heal old war wounds then I'd advise doing some more research on these compounds before just taking a drug that you heard might help.

[IMunchRoidz]

First off, if you are actively having tendon issues do not cycle. You need to have those dealt with prior to cycling, otherwise no matter what you take you are going to exacerbate the tendon issues as you muscles get stronger and your tendons don't.

Second, what you have heard about is progesterone modulated collagen synthesis, and/or estrogen modulated anti inflammatory reaction. Deca, Anavar, and EQ will all provide this. There are pros and cons to running test with these compounds if tendon relief is your primary goal. Test will aromatize to estro, which will boost the anti inflammatory response and reduce pain, provided you don't kill your estro levels too much with an AI. Obviously that's a pro. The con is that some test with reduce to DHT. DHT competes with progesterone at the receptor and will actually reduce collagen synthesis. Obviously that's a con. There are drugs that can reduce the formation of DHT through isoenzyme control like Finasteride and Dutasteride, but I've never heard of anyone taking them for this purpose.

Third, there is no direct research that proves that any of these compounds will cure tendon issues. The increase in collagen synthesis is well documented. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence. However no direct link as of yet. The key to tendon repair is only partially helped by additional collagen synthesis. You have to understand that there are two types of collagen that come into play; T1 and T3. How those two are used, the ratio in a healthy tendon vs a damaged one, and other factors play into how a tendon is repaired to the point where it is as strong as it was prior to injury.

The bottom line is that if you are actively injured seek treatment prior to using any steroid. If you are seeking to simply heal old war wounds then I'd advise doing some more research on these compounds before just taking a drug that you heard might help.

Thanks maate, good post!
I'm currently injured and not even training, and I'm not going to cycle till my injury is totally healed. I'm just worried because i have secondary shoulder impingement, which just means that my shoulder will never be 100%, even when its healed (When i bench press, i shouldn't bring my elbow behind my shoulder). So, I thought it would be a good idea, if i was to cycle, to use one of these steroids, just to help prevent injuries as i could be quite prone to them.

Anyways your post explained alot of things i didnt know, thanks!

[gymnerd]

First off, if you are actively having tendon issues do not cycle. You need to have those dealt with prior to cycling, otherwise no matter what you take you are going to exacerbate the tendon issues as you muscles get stronger and your tendons don't.

Second, what you have heard about is progesterone modulated collagen synthesis, and/or estrogen modulated anti inflammatory reaction. Deca, Anavar, and EQ will all provide this. There are pros and cons to running test with these compounds if tendon relief is your primary goal. Test will aromatize to estro, which will boost the anti inflammatory response and reduce pain, provided you don't kill your estro levels too much with an AI. Obviously that's a pro. The con is that some test with reduce to DHT. DHT competes with progesterone at the receptor and will actually reduce collagen synthesis. Obviously that's a con. There are drugs that can reduce the formation of DHT through isoenzyme control like Finasteride and Dutasteride, but I've never heard of anyone taking them for this purpose.

Third, there is no direct research that proves that any of these compounds will cure tendon issues. The increase in collagen synthesis is well documented. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence. However no direct link as of yet. The key to tendon repair is only partially helped by additional collagen synthesis. You have to understand that there are two types of collagen that come into play; T1 and T3. How those two are used, the ratio in a healthy tendon vs a damaged one, and other factors play into how a tendon is repaired to the point where it is as strong as it was prior to injury.

The bottom line is that if you are actively injured seek treatment prior to using any steroid. If you are seeking to simply heal old war wounds then I'd advise doing some more research on these compounds before just taking a drug that you heard might help.

Yeah, this is really the right answer. I been saying dont try and cure joint issues with anaboliocs because it doesnt work and Iv run hefty doses of hgh also . Heal up, figure out whats causing the joint pain, muscle imbalance or form maybe? Maybe cut out certain exersizes that are aggrevating it. I tried to do thye super tendon strengthening cycle idea. Dont work!!!

[dec11]

ive had crappy joint/tendon trouble in quite a few areas over the past 5 years, on cycles they improved, off cycle they came back. as HP pointed out, it doesnt ness have to be drug dependant, simple test cycles also eleviated some probs for me, temporarily. i resigned myself to leaving out certain exercises and lowering weights way down ( not easy for a plifter!!) and concentrate on precise good form. ive gradually build weights back up over 6mths and have had vast improvements in 90% of troubled areas. based on my exp, dont expect the gear to fix these probs mate

[IMunchRoidz]

yeah guys, im going to make sure my tendons are as good as they can be before i cycle, the last thing i want is to be injured during a cycle. But since they will never be 100%, its a good idea to take one of these compounds to help prevent anything from getting worse yea?

Thanks brahs

[dec11]

yeah guys, im going to make sure my tendons are as good as they can be before i cycle, the last thing i want is to be injured during a cycle. But since they will never be 100%, its a good idea to take one of these compounds to help prevent anything from getting worse yea?

Thanks brahs

i used d'bell curl 25kgs for 8reps, now after injuries i can maintain my bi's on just 17.5kgs for 12reps now. just an example

[TKO Performance]

yeah guys, im going to make sure my tendons are as good as they can be before i cycle, the last thing i want is to be injured during a cycle. But since they will never be 100%, its a good idea to take one of these compounds to help prevent anything from getting worse yea?

Thanks brahs

I would agree with that, but make sure that the tendons are as healed as they can be. I would advise at least a year from the time of injury before considering them fully healed to the maximum of your body's potential. Tendons have poor blood supply, which is why they take so long to heal. My elbow (tennis elbow) took about five months to reach a level of acceptable resolution. I still can get a twinge or two if I go really heavy. I simply treat it with US for a couple of days until the issue resolves. I don't know if more time will improve this state of affairs, or if this is how it's going to be forever. Either is acceptable, as I seem to have found a viable method for keeping it from getting any worse, and it has no impact on my daily function or lifting regimen.